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Just wondering if there are any other charcoal burners here on the site?
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more than you'd guess...lets see ifn yer post smokes out anymore of 'em....
I burn BP in my rendezvous guns...flinter & caplocks & C&B for more modern shooting and to get real modern I do BP cartridge shooting with a BPCR & Trapdoor.....
what are you into??????? elephantbow....
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20th, 2011 11:52 AM |
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I like BP, mostly muzzleloaders. have three decent flinters, an abortion of a M1803, and an earlt T/C Hawken.
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Not really, my wife and I only manage to get thru 1 or 2 cases of it a year.....
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Hello Irish Bird Dog, I'm "into" the traditional style guns of the "Fur Trade Era". The "romance" of the mountain man, the wanderer and explorer. I enjoy studying the size of the powder charges they used etc. Have been reading that some guys are shooting 150 gr. and larger powder charges in guns they have built. I am HIGHLY curious about the Lyman Great Plains guns and what powder charge they are "proofed" with. A bbl which measures 15/16 across the flats and has a .50 hole in it has 7/16 wasll thickness so if it IS made of "modern" steel as claimed it should be SAFELY capable of OF CHARGES IN EXCESS of the listed 110 gr. Although I DO understand that in today's litigious society the manufacturer has GOT to be CAREFUL re: the charges listed as MAX charges or face product liability suits. Hope I haven't been too "windy" with this. Let me know what you think.
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elephantbow.........I don't really push for the maximum charge I think the gun can handle but rather try for the best accuracy with 'nuff "power" to do the job I ask of it. No sense to punish the shooter with recoil if not necessary....I use a patched ball in my rifles with appropriate rifling IE 1:66 or so & mostly shoot a .54 caliber flintlock custom made. Nearly all my shooting is at targets vs game. I had a Lyman Great Plains rifle once, a flinter in .50 cal.....had problems with the lock right out of the box....flintlock....Lyman made it right after a trip to the factory....sold it soon after.....never heard any bad stories about them.
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IBD, I am not "into" punishing myself, but am curious about the max charge Lyman publishes for that particular gun. As I said in a previous post, I've read about other guns digesting well over that and the owner having worked up a hunting load much larger than Lyman publishes as max for that gun. I simply enjoy knowing what the gun can safely handle [keeping in mind the product liability Lyman MUST BE mindful of] I've read [yeah, I know, ANTHING can be written and the paper will just lie there] of accounts of the "mountain men' regularly using charges of 140 gr. and more. Just attempting to research the safe CAPABILITY of this gun. I'm just "mature" enough to NOT want to be "kicked around" by recoil if not NECESSARY. i WOULD like to check the ACURACY [safely] at around 120 gr. for the sake of CAUTIOUS experimentation. I do like to keep the red on the INSIDE of me. Last edited on Wed Sep 21st, 2011 05:17 AM by elephantbow
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Occasionally.
I don't go as far "retro" as flint tho, 50-cal. CVA Bobcat caplock for me. Parctice is with patched roundball. Deer hunting efforts are made with 295gr Remington Powerbelts.
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In the early 1970s I was involved in a bit of Rendezvous activity. Belonged to Three Rivers Long rifles group in SW WI/ NE IA area. I started with a .44 cal Kentucky Rifle repro and then traded it for a .54 Cal. Mowrey Ethan Allen rifle. There weren't many deer in WI then and no ML season but I was bound and determined to take a deer with one. My freinds all thought I was nuts. Took me 8 years to do the job. I learned a lot about deer hunting though. My interest kind of faded until I moved to IA and they had no Rifle season. I hate shotgun slugs so I stuck with ML seasons when I lived there. My son got his first deer with the Mowrey. Now back in WI I try to hunt the ML season every year but missed the last couple of years. I still have the Mowrey but also have an Austin Halleck 50 cal inline that I bought on closeout when they discontinued business. For the heck of it I have a 50 cal ML barrel for my 500 Mossberg. Watched it hang in a gunstore for about 5 years until the package was faded and brittle. Offered the owner $50 for it and walked out with it. Works but the inside of the action fills with BP residue from smoke flowing around the shotgun primer. Tough to clean up. I've been using Pyrodex since it came out but I decided that I'm going back to Holy Black from here on out. Can't seem to get guns clean enough to keep corrosion at bay and suspect from reading on here that the Pyrodex might be the problem. RD
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RD....I know there are as many "recipies" for "stuff" to clean up BP residue BUT one that works for me is this............Equal parts of Murhpys Oil soap, Peroxide, rubbing alcohol.
All found in your local grocery store. Works...really well....use it to clean up/remove BP residue in your 500 action area & other BP guns. Plus you can wash your hands with it too.
......as does common, but labled with a skull & crossbones, windshield washer fluid.....as does windex w/o ammonia...Ed's Red etc.
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Have one BP 50 but no longer use it. Question: what do the different "sizes" of powder mean. Think the "4" is finer but know nothing about them.
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The following info is for genuine Black Powder...............
The # assigned to BP is related to the size of the powder granules.......basically from fine to course
4F or FFFF = really fine granules (commonly used for priming powder in pan of flintlocks)
3F or FFF = a bit bigger granules (some use for main charge & priming powder in flintlocks)
2F or FF = a bit bigger granules yet (common for M/L rifles* of .50/.54 cal)
1F or F = a bit bigger granules once again
Cartridge = pretty big granules & as it suggest used in BP cartridges
*For the record, when I discuss M/L rifles it does NOT include the modern In-Line type
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Thanks BD, could not remember what the sizes were used for.
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I dabble across the speectrum and by no means an expert. I'm learning how to shoot flintlock, have a inline rifle, and love my cap, n. ball pistols. i tried reloading catridge before. Lots of bang, but rattled my pistol and my teeth.
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Irish Bird Dog wrote: The following info is for genuine Black Powder...............
The # assigned to BP is related to the size of the powder granules.......basically from fine to course
4F or FFFF = really fine granules (commonly used for priming powder in pan of flintlocks)
3F or FFF = a bit bigger granules (some use for main charge & priming powder in flintlocks)
2F or FF = a bit bigger granules yet (common for M/L rifles* of .50/.54 cal)
1F or F = a bit bigger granules once again
Cartridge = pretty big granules & as it suggest used in BP cartridges
*For the record, when I discuss M/L rifles it does NOT include the modern In-Line type
Inline? What is this "inline" of which you speak?
Note to the literal minded....it's a joke.
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Charley said....."Inline? What is this "inline" of which you speak?"
 psst..hey Charley....the less said about the "you know what" the better.......
...Keep this to yourself ...................gotta protect the innocents
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In line is the modern looking guns. They take either a 209 shotshell primer, or even a musket cap. Typically have a scope mount. One I got for Xmas couple years back has a stainless steel, fluted barrel with a muzzle brake.
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You guys are right. We should stick to our black powder roots. I propose that we all shoot an arquebus. Try kkeping your punk lit in a rainstorm. RD
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OldStuffer wrote: Occasionally.
I don't go as far "retro" as flint tho, 50-cal. CVA Bobcat caplock for me. Parctice is with patched roundball. Deer hunting efforts are made with 295gr Remington Powerbelts.
I have one of them light weight things too.I put over 2 pounds of lead in the butstock to balance it just in front of the trigger guard and more important ,tame that hard kickin mule.
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I have an inline. Shoots fine, cleans easy. When i go hunting with it, it makes it rain. Never fails. I should have remembered and headed over to Texas back in July. I once actually put the gun down and walked about 50 yards away, so much lightning. It'll kill em If I can keep the rain outta my eyes and my glasses from fogging up. One time it rained so hard it got into my pack and soaked all the shots I had set up.
Anyone else put plastic wrap over the muzzle?
I've used duct tape to cover the primer area.
I would be using the patch to wipe rain outta my eyes.
It may not be primitive, but I feel primitive.
And it kicks worse than a 300 winmag.
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