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Has anyone used Pyrodex Pellets in a T/C Hawken? Saturday I was shooting all my black powder stuff, nasty day raining, cold (for here) and incredibly humid. I fired 8 shots with exclent results. The load was 3, 30 grain Pryodex pellets, a 375 grain T/C Maxi Ball and a Remington #11 cap.
Shot number 9 was a hang fire of several milliseconds duration. Shot number 10 would not fire at all even after ten caps. I picked the nipple. Removed the nippled and cleaned the vent, didn't help. Only fired after I filled the vent with loose Pyrodex.
Are you just not supposed to use pellets in conventional muzzleloaders?
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| Posted: Sun May 27th, 2007 01:05 PM |
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I always thought they were for inline as the fire goes right up the center. With a hawkin, you are hitting the pellet on the side. Not good for even ignition
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| Posted: Mon May 28th, 2007 12:05 PM |
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I've used pellets in everything muzzle loading without any of the things happening that you mentioned? Wierd?? Was the accuracy a problem while shooting before the problem set in?
Sounds more like a vent hole problem then an ignition problem...if the fire doesn't get there you aren't going to be smellin' smoke(egg farts as my kids tell me). Never have liked the #11 caps anyway, have had some problems with them in the past.
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| Posted: Mon May 28th, 2007 12:14 PM |
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No accuracy seemed good. I was trying to zero the new Lyman 57 rear sight I just installed so I was not shooting for group. It was a really nasty day, cold, raining, windy and extremely humid. But I was under a covered firing line so everything was dry.
I was also having hang fire trouble with my new 3rd model Dragoon but they all fired in it. Now that I think about it I was using old caps out of the same tin.
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| Posted: Tue May 29th, 2007 01:09 PM |
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Never had much luck with the pellets in my White 97 stainless inline 50 caliber nor any luck in my Charles Daly 50 cal. Hawken. In fact, with my Hawken, I couldn't get the thing to shoot worth a hoot with any kind of pyrodex. Ended up going with traditional blackpowder and it liked it just fine. The White 97 likes Pyrodex Pistol Powder and I can hold 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards with it. Took a LOT of shooting to work up the load figuring out not only the charge but the level of fouling it preferred for accuracy.
If you had hangfires with the pellets in your Hawken, I suspect it's exactly as Saddlesore predicted - unable to ignite the pellet wall from the side lock fire instead of the center like standard inlines.
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| Posted: Tue May 29th, 2007 01:16 PM |
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I was wondering if they would work at all but when the first 8 shot fine, I thought they worked. But the last 2 has convinced me other wise. I have ordered a musket cap nipple for my Hawken. I think that will help some.
I only have about 70, 30 grain pellets. I may just try to shoot them up. I guess I can always trickle a little powder into the flash hole for those that don't fire the regular way.
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| Posted: Tue May 29th, 2007 01:57 PM |
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I've never found a use for the pellets. Not to sure about Pyriodex anyway, loose or pellets. Since most of my muzzleloading is done with flinters, BP is the only thing that works for me.
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| Posted: Tue May 29th, 2007 02:08 PM |
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I have only shot about a pound of loose Pyrodex RS but this is the first problem with it I have had. I have about 3 more pounds bought at bargain prices from a Walmart that closed. Got a bunch of other stuff too, Bore Butter, patches, and some hardware that I seem to have lost.
Never shot pellets before and I realize that my Hawken is not ideal for them but I have them and I'll shoot them some how.
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| Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 05:02 AM |
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The pellets came out after I sold my TC 50 cal. Hawken but I never had a problem with Pyrodex powder in it. I think Saddlesore is right about the holes and inlines but I would imagine the pellets would still ignite in a Hawken, maybe harder to burn. A musket cap/nipple will probably do the job. I use musket caps on my inline and it made a difference. I've only shot Pyrodex pellets (2 and 3 - 50 gr. pellets) and Triple 7 pellets which I like better out of my inline. The Tripple 7 is allot cleaner than Pyrodex. You can get off more shots before you can't even ram one done the barrel.
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| Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 12:53 PM |
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Thanks for all the input guys. I am really quite new to Pyrodex eventhough I've had some for along time I haven't shot much of it. All I have is RS and since I mostly shoot pistols in black powder it seems P would be better for my purpose. But since all I have is RS, I'll have to use it.
All that said RS seems to work well in my Dragoon and Remington Army. Works great in my Hawken, at least the loose stuff. With the loose Pyrodex and a Remingtion 385 grain lead slug it will shoot a 3 shot clover leaf at 100 yards from a bench with the iron sights.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 01:01 AM |
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I'm not a believer in using the pellets. It is a charge weight of just 50 or 100 grains. In order to get the best accuracy from a BP gun using BP or a substitute is to work up the best load for accuracy. That means using loose powder. Lastly ...using the pellets are a rip off. Look at the price you pay for a box of pellets then look at the weight of that box. Multiply that weight until you equal one pound. When you come the amound of pellets you need to equal a pound, you'll find you are paying over $60.00 a pound for black powder !! Like I said .... What a ripoff !! No pyro-turds for me .......
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 01:07 AM |
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I buy my pellets after season goes out....
WalMart(locally) had them last year for 2.79 a box(50gr/50pellets) and I got 60 boxes!! Not a math wiz, but I think I made a great deal....
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 01:09 AM |
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I bought a lot of black powder stuff from a Walmart that was closing. I got a bunch of pellets for $5.00 per box. I also got several pounds of Pyrodex RS for $5.00 per pound, in short just a whole bunch of stuff at a bargain price. Some of it I didn't think I would ever use but it was just to cheap to pass up.
I like black powder revolvers a lot. I have a T/C Hawken that a friend gave me. So I am not heavily into black powder but I enjoy shooting it once in a while.
Mostly I shoot Highpower competition and reload for that.
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