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resqdan
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Posted: 10 April 2008 05:25 AM |
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| i have some cast bullets for a 40 and was wondering if i need to use lube on them or is it just something you can do if you want
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Posted: 10 April 2008 01:04 PM |
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If you shoot cast bullets without luibe, I guarantee you will only do it once! You will have the nastiest case of leading you can imagine, and you will find yourself using all sorts of interesting words while trying to remove it.
If you don';t ahve a lubrasizer, or want to mess with pan lubing, buy a bottle of Lee's liquid alox, or LLA. Put the bullets in a plastic tub, squirt a small amount of LLA on them, and tumble/swirl them around for a minute or two. Dump them out on wax paper and allow to dry, then load them. LLA works as well or better than most solid lubes, IME.
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Posted: 10 April 2008 02:11 PM |
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| does the liquid work ok on a bullet designed for the traditional lube? i find pan lubing easy enough that i only use a sizer for gas checks.plain base bullets get used as cast.
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resqdan
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Posted: 10 April 2008 02:14 PM |
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| thats how green i am .. i dont have a sizer or even know what it is.. i definatly need to research this a bit more...
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Posted: 10 April 2008 02:19 PM |
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| with a 40 a gas check is just an extra expense
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resqdan
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Posted: 10 April 2008 02:25 PM |
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| thaks.. i was planning on workin up a couple of round and seeing how they work
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Posted: 10 April 2008 07:58 PM |
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| If they haven't been runt hrough a sizer,you might want to check thier diameter. Most cast bullets run a few thousandths oversize and are meant to be sized and lubed after casting
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Charley
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Posted: 10 April 2008 08:45 PM |
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Check diameter, but again, IME, most bullets, unless they drop grossly oversized, don't need sizing. Make up a dummy cartridge, and see if it will chamber and extract. If it does, you are good to go.
LLA works well on Lee tumble lube designs, and on conventional groved cast bulets.
I don't use gas checks on anything running less than 1200 FPS or so. .44 Mag in a handgun, .38/40 BP, all my other slower cartridges I shoot plain based bullets. I save gas checks for the faster rifle cartridge/bullet combinations.
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resqdan
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Posted: 29 April 2008 05:37 AM |
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| well i used the lee lube and just put the rounds in a plastic bucket and squirted some on and shook them around til they were all coated..after they dried, I loaded up a couple, but i did notice that i had to expand the neck a little more so they would seat good.. but is it normal for some to shave off the sides of the bullet..anyway i attempted to chamber and they went in fine .. i had loaded a light load for safety sake. and my glock fired all three rounds with out a problem. i ran a brush down the barrell and nothing real bad so i think they will work for me just fine.. i plan on doing some more to find the charge that works for me.. but thanks for the info, after reading all that i was alot more confident in the use of cast bullets, and they wont be the only thing i shoot but they are cheaper and i do have the means to cast them myself after i get better at all this.. but that will be alot more questions later on.. Last edited on 29 April 2008 05:39 AM by resqdan
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Posted: 29 April 2008 12:55 PM |
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Be careful with cast projectiles in Glocks!! Polygonal rifling and lead does NOT get along to well!! I fall into the first listing of folks in the link below. Although I clean barrels well after firing, I often shoot hundreds(in excess of 400-500 rounds) during a typical range session....cleaning only after accuracy falls below acceptable levels(steel plates are pretty forgiving-after all they are 6" in diameter and fall over).
http://www.glockfaq.com/reloading.htm
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Posted: 29 April 2008 01:51 PM |
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Yep, there are documented kabooms from using lead in Glock barrels. There are some aftermarket cut rifling barrels for Glocks that lead can be used in. If you want to shoot lead in yours, an extra dedicated barrel might be a good investment.
Shaving is bad, deforms the bullet. See if youyr expanding die can flair just a bit more, or pick up a Lee universal flairing die. Cheap, and works for almost every cartridge.
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Posted: 29 April 2008 03:42 PM |
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| The .40 S&W is considered a high pressure round and loading for the Glock can be tricky at best because of the unsupported chamber. Lead is strictly forbidden in a Glock barrel. I agree with sdb777 to a certain extent. Lead in Glock polygonal barrels is NOT recommended but all of my S&W 500 PC guns have polygonal rifled barrels and they handle lead bullets just fine.
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resqdan
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Posted: 29 April 2008 06:04 PM |
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| Hey thanks for the info guys.. i was already aware of some of the concerns but i am not to concerned about it.. i clean my gun all the time and very seldom shoot more than 100 rounds from one gun at any one shooting.. so the build up should not be a problem.. but i didnt know about the different barrels i could get.. looks like they are about $200 so i might have to get one just for the range with the lead ammo just to be safe.. thanks again
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