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I am looking for a cap and ball pistol to use as a carry gun. With all of the crap that we are hearing about the new admin, I want a just in case pistol that I can carry in my fields. I do know that a cap and ball pistol can be as effective as a modern type of pistol.
It doesn't matter the brand, but price has to be some concern at the moment. Plus I am not purest on how authentic it has to be. I can cast my own RBs and have Pyrodex on hand, as well as a bund of caps for my Greyhawk.
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There's many choices. I like my Pietta .44 caliber 1860 Army model, but I have an 1851 Navy (also .44) and an 1861 Police (.36 caliber).
The .44's pack a pretty good punch, somewhere between .38 special and .357 magnum, with appropriate bullets and charges. Remington #10 caps work best with mine.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 18th, 2009 08:59 AM |
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I was kind of thinking same thing, 1858 new army with a spare cylinder, they swap out fairly fast, at least a lot faster than I can reload a cylinder on pistol.
However, I've always liked the looks of a LeMat, nine .44s and a 20 ga buckshot or slug load in center, kind of a forerunner to the Judge, by almost 150 years.
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Jerry, Knowing your ideas for long term preparedness and storage I'd suggest real black over pyrodex. There's been lots of comments lately on the speed that pyrodex breaks down and performance drops off.
On the carry gun do you mean carry or concealed carry? Historically there were lots of bobbed 1860s and 1858s. I've seen 1860s bobbed just ahead of the cross key for disassembly. Most had the loading mechanisms removed and people indeed carried extra cylinders. It's not too complicated to build a stand alone reloading device to use on a bench. Just copy the principles used on the gun. RD
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IMO the best C&B to come down the pike has been the Ruger Old Army. I believe they are discontinued now, but you should be able to find one used. They came in stainless and 5.5" too IIRC. That would be my choice, hands down. Failing that any GOOD 1858 Remington replica would do the trick. I believe some of them are available in stainless as well.
As a young sprout I carried an original 1860 Army for a while before I got a flattop .357. They can be very effective sidearms.
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For utility I would pick the Ruger Old Army 44. I like the 7 1/2 inch barrel myself but you might like the 5". You can get this in stainless and is by far the most useful cap & ball pistol.
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This would not be for concealed carry, but on my hip. Later I will ask about smaller BP pistols. I think I will buy a few pounds of BP, I think my limit for storage maybe something like 5 pounds, this is not for insurance purposes, but for my local VFD, they need to know these things.
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I've always thought Colt's 1851 Navy is the most natural pointer there is. The 1860 Army is almost as good for me. I'd lean toward the 1860 due to larger caliber.
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I've had both 1851s and 1860s and Charley's right about the pointability of the 1851. That's probably why Colt based the 1873's grip frame on the Navy instead of the Army. I never liked the grip on the Army and was glad to replace the gun with a flattop since that gripframe is a dead ringer for the '73.
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Dirtkicker wrote: I never liked the grip on the Army ...
Ditto. The Army BP revolvers' grips are overly large - maybe made so to accommodate a gloved/gauntleted hand. They don't fit my hand very comfortably, but they are shootable none the less, and quite accurate to boot.
If the screws all line up on the frame, shouldn't one be able to transplant the gripframe and grips from a Navy revolver to an Army? I might try that sometime, as I have two Navy-gripped guns and one Army-gripped. A hibrid Army/Navy .44 might be just the ticket.
Here's a picture of my 1860 Army (Pietta) and a typical, round-ball punched 25-yard target (it's a 50 yard target, but I shot it at 25). It's even more impressive with 180 grain pre-lubed Buffalo Bullets. The accuracy is there, to be sure, and with the right load, the power isn't to be sneezed at, given the platform.
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72coupe wrote: For utility I would pick the Ruger Old Army 44. I like the 7 1/2 inch barrel myself but you might like the 5". You can get this in stainless and is by far the most useful cap & ball pistol.
The SS Ruger Old Army is a rugged, deluxe C&P revolver - perhaps the Cadillac of BP revolvers - or at least the Hum-Vee. They're a bit too pricey for me at the moment, but I wouldn't turn one down if I had the chance to add it to my collection at a price I could live with.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 19th, 2009 01:23 AM |
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Any good source to buy BP pistols out there?
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Midway has some pretty good sales on blackpowder stuff occaisionally.
I really want an 1849 Colt pocket pistol in 31 cal. I had one once I used to hunt jackrabbits with. One of the most fun guns I have ever had.
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72coupe wrote: I really want an 1849 Colt pocket pistol in 31 cal.
Cabela's here in Boise usually has those, made by Pietta. It's probably something you could mail order from them. Other dealers undoubtedly carry them.
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Slim,
I have a Cabela about 45 away from me, right across the parking lot from a Wally World that stocks reloading supplies.
Now it's finding a place that carried BP and probably Cabela has the RB mold that I would need.
Thanks,
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RobertMT wrote: ... However, I've always liked the looks of a LeMat, nine .44s and a 20 ga buckshot or slug load in center, kind of a forerunner to the Judge, by almost 150 years.
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Careful. That might be on some Kalifornia Kongresswoman's list of "assault weapons" to be banned. After all, it's "high capacity" - and what about that 20 ga smooth bore? Ooooo. That's scary. I'm quaking in my boots right now thinking about such a terrible weapon, meant only to kill innocent women and children, being in the hands of a private citizen.
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I don't have to worry about Kalifornication up here, every the replicas are too pricey for me though.
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Dirtkicker wrote:
IMO the best C&B to come down the pike has been the Ruger Old Army. I believe they are discontinued now, but you should be able to find one used. They came in stainless and 5.5" too IIRC. That would be my choice, hands down. Failing that any GOOD 1858 Remington replica would do the trick. I believe some of them are available in stainless as well.
As a young sprout I carried an original 1860 Army for a while before I got a flattop .357. They can be very effective sidearms.
Dirtkicker,
Could you elaborate on what a GOOD 1858 might be? I ask because I have had my eyes on the Taylor and Co. 1858 Remington Conversion replica's. I like the ability to shoot 44-40 centerfire and convert to BP as well.
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Hi, Bill-
I used "good" because I have in the past handled some terrible specimens. Since I don't own an 1858 myself I can't advise you. I would imagine that a Uberti would be pretty good-- if they make one, and I think they do. I guess you just need to handle it, play with it, and see what it feels like.
But for the best in a "1858-like" six-shooter my vote would go to the Ruger.
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Took my 1860 Army clone out to the desert yesterday. Seems as though my HP Ipaq had outlived its usefulness, a 4-year lifetime during which it gave me nothing but headaches and was generally useless. So, I put a couple 180 grain Buffalo Bullets through it!
Oh, the humanity!
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