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I am trying to find a faster way to reload .223 rounds. The biggest time spent is on lubing casings. Is there a set of dies out there that eliminates this, regardless of cost?
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I have a Dillon carbide 223 die, the sizing die cost $97.95 plus shipping. The instructions say you still have to lube the cases.
When I bought mine they were about $80, but I like it very much. I think you might actually get by with not lubing, but I have not tried it yet.
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This subject has been neat to death here before. Carbide rifle dies are intended to reduce scratching cases, and make a die that lasts longer for the very high volume user. They require lubrication, just like a steel die. Dillon states this TWICE. I have to believe they know what they are talking about!
My suggestion is to use a wax lube, like Lee's, or a lanolin lube, like Dilllon's. Then tumble it off, either before loading, or after. I've tumbled loaded cartridges to clean them, never had a problem.
For high volume users, such as commercial reloaders, law enforcement agencies, and high power or service rifle competitors, we also offer .223 and .308 die sets with a full-length carbide sizing die. Lubrication is still required, but the increased scratch resistance and die longevity of carbide are of great benefit to these groups of users.
PLEASE NOTE: Carbide rifle dies still require case lubrication!
Straight from Dillon's website.
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To back up what Charley just posted the 223 carbide sizer comes with a built in stuck case remover.
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I do use the Lee wax lube and I have been very pleased with it. I have tried the Hornady one shot but I have never had acceptable results with it. I have been reloading quite a few tracers to sell so I have been just looking for something more productive. Thanks for the help.
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The quickest way to load is to neck size, that is if you are going to fire the loaded cases in the same rifle chamber.
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I use a Lee neck sizer die never have to lube its a collet die. the draw back is you HAVE TO SHOOT IT IN THE SAME GUN!!! The case once fired expands to fit that gun and every gun is a little different. so if you are an ammo swapper with buddies not a good idea but if like me Ill only shoot my own ammo it works just fine and very fast reloading. 
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Well I load a lot for myself but I load a lot for local folks. I load a lot of tracers and nickel plated SS109's. Most of them shoot AR's, but I have to make them work for all I guess.
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CH4D will TiN coat dies for you. $27.95 for their full length sizing die, $36.25 for coating the die, and $10.80 for the expander ball. They guarantee coating their own dies, but will coat other dies at your risk.
Works as good or better than carbide. However they warn you'll still need to lube for bottleneck rifle cartridges (so does Dillon, IIRC)
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I have came to the conclusion that there is no other choice than to lube. It is a step that cant be skipped or avoided.
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What do you guys lube with on the Dillon dies?
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Dillon's Rapid Lube, or the Midway equivalent. It is a mixture of alcohol and lanolin. Rasy to apply, works well, and comes off pretty easily. Last edited on Sat Feb 3rd, 2007 12:48 PM by Charley
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Is that a non-aresol spray?
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It comes in a pump spray bottle.
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in my opinion the 223 is about the sticky est case I have ever reloaded, until I started reloading for it I had stuck one case, a 270 back in about 1969, I have ruined a brand new set of dies and stuck a bunch of 223's, I lube the cases very carefully now and I wonder if it is a case dimension deal, new or old brass (commercial as I don't reload military) it seems the same, one of my favorite rounds in 14" Contender, one of my least favorite to reload. Rick
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I have never stuck a 223 case even though I have reloaded many thousands (I estimate 80,000). The only case I have ever stuck is a 22-250 and that was probably 25 years ago.
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I use the Lee wax base lube and I dont have any problem with it. I tried the hornady one shot lube once and that led to several stuck cases and messed up deccaping rod. A friend told me once that he used automatic transmisssion fluid and a lubing pad. Has anyone ever tried that? He said it worked well for him. I suppose that it would work. It would probably be a little messy.
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I have never stuck a 223 case even though I have reloaded many thousands (I estimate 80,000).
Do you shoot that much? Or do you reload for other people as well?
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I shoot 300 to 500 rounds per month in practice & matches now, I used to practice more.
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Lee's wax lube is pretty good. It can be thinned with water, and applied as a dip, according to their instructions. I've read accounts of volume loaders using it that way.
I use either Dillon or Midway's lanolin lube for large batches. For less than 50 rounds at a time, I use a lanolin base wire pulling lube. effective, and very, very cheap.
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