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overbore
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Posted: 11 April 2008 04:37 PM |
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Since I have been reloading for a rather long time, some of you newer types are not familiar with old quality names such as Pacific, C-H, and Ponses Warren which may be found on e-bay from time to time. The C-H progressive press is a very high quality press with shell holders readily availible that is a high precision unit which may be purchased from estates that do not know the quality of the units. I am using a Pacific Pro O, circa 1968, that is a massive cast iron unit and accurately bored. There is no need to jump on the latest / greatest as times get economically tougher.
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jjb2
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Posted: 13 April 2008 02:06 AM |
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| you're right.. when i started reloading i bought an old BAIR heavy cast c-press from my brother in law... i love the old thing! i don't know if he bought it new or not but you are right about the value in these old presses... the dies have been upgraded because the originals were about worn out.. hell even the dies i use now are obsolete... they are lee speed dies and you can't get them from anymore that i know about... i do have a lee reloader press on my bench beside the bair press but i got it use at a gun show..... ive never bought a new press.... the lee press is aluminum so the old cast bair press get the heavy work!
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Charley
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Posted: 13 April 2008 03:45 AM |
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You can get Speed dies if you are quick enough. Lee has them listed on their closeout/surplus page. When they are gone,. I doubt anyine will see them again.
http://www.leeprecision.com/html/catalog/surplus.html
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jjb2
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Posted: 13 April 2008 06:24 AM |
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i typed lee speed dies into my msn search home page awhile ago and they came up with some site written in french.... i didn't even think french people reloaded .....
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BigJakeJ1s
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Posted: 14 April 2008 04:05 AM |
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CH4D still manufactures and sells the C-H line of presses, including the H-frame progressives.
Ponsness-Warren is also still in business selling presses.
Pacific was bought out by Horndady, but I don't think any of their presses or tools exept the balance beam scale survived.
Bonanza was bought out by Forster, who still makes their venerable Co-Ax press, sort of an inverted H-frame design. It is still the best single stage press in the industry.
Last edited on 14 April 2008 04:10 AM by BigJakeJ1s
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jjb2
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Posted: 15 April 2008 01:52 AM |
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| i wonder if hornady was connected to BAIR brand somehow.... my press was made in lincoln neb. according to whats cast on the side of it........... thanks for that link to lee closeouts charley that's the first time i've seen speed dies in some time... i love my set for reloading off two single stage presses.... i ordered a second die body and a custom bullet seater so i can use them at the same time!!
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ramon
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Posted: 19 April 2008 02:50 AM |
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I just used a C type Pacific press to load 7mm Baby Nambu cartridges this morning. This press works as well as the day in 1948 when my now deceased father bought it.
I have since purchased Dillon 550 and 650 presses, but nothing puts me as close to my Dad as that Pacific press. Another reach across time and space.
Ramon
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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 28 April 2008 10:01 PM |
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I still do use my Bonanza press, well maintained and cared for it is like new after 25 years of service.
My advise to a new reloader regarding buying a press would be; find a press from the time before quality shortcuts were praised as an advantage, take it apart, clean it, repaint it if you like, buy some of the most expensive teflon grease, apply this on the friction points, rebuild it and be happy for the rest of your life with it.
If one takes the trouble to keep the press clean, lubes it with premium lube, it normally will outlast its first owner with ease.
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overbore
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Posted: 28 April 2008 10:10 PM |
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Total agreement. I still drive my 1980 Mercedes diesel; just change the oil and filter. Graham
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Paul Tummers
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Posted: 28 April 2008 11:48 PM |
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overbore schreef: Total agreement. I still drive my 1980 Mercedes diesel; just change the oil and filter. Graham
I drive a small car now, before I bought this little Opel, I drove a Volvo 740 on Liquid Propane Gaz,built in 1984, sold last year with 576000Km's on the clock, never needed an overhaul, original clutch-plate still in there.Sold because I don't drive that much anymore and our road-tax for cars with a LPG-unit built-in is 3 times as much as for a car which consumes ordinary fuel.
Every 10.000 km this car was serviced with a new oil filter and the very best oil I could afford, new spark plugs every 20.000 km,air filter every 50.000 km's, and brake-fluid changed every year.Checking oil level, brake fuel level and coolant level al well as tire pressure of 5 wheels every saturday.
This topic is not about how long a car can last, but about quality and life-span exectations when taken care for a machine or a tool like a good built press.
The lesson is actually very simple; if something has a long-life potential, take care for it, and it will reward you with fullfilling its potential, and knowing you have a good tool on which one can rely is a very comfortable feeling which can last your life if taken care for .
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WILDCATT
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Posted: 16 May 2008 08:47 PM |
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The Bair presses were brown Bear then Bair I know as I bought 2 for my club and their still in use.I sold the potter to pay for them.I still have a potter melting pot.
the Bair went bankrupt and the lawyer used to sell the spare parts.[in ohio]it and the C&H are related as to design.and RCBS had the green machine that was a take off of the C&H progressive.
the Bonanza is the best single stage made.I still use my Pacific powder measure I got in 1945.and my Modern Bond Moulds.my press got missplaced[taken]
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WILDCATT
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Posted: 16 May 2008 08:47 PM |
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The Bair presses were brown Bear then Bair I know as I bought 2 for my club and their still in use.I sold the potter to pay for them.I still have a potter melting pot.
the Bair went bankrupt and the lawyer used to sell the spare parts.[in ohio]it and the C&H are related as to design.and RCBS had the green machine that was a take off of the C&H progressive.
the Bonanza is the best single stage made.I still use my Pacific powder measure I got in 1945.and my Modern Bond Moulds.my press got missplaced[taken] 
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wheezengeezer
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Posted: 17 May 2008 03:57 PM |
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i have 6 truline jr's that are set up for dedicated cast bullet loads. they are fitted with plates and can be stored in a cabinet and placed on the bench without changing anything.my spartan is my go to single stage.i also have a ideal #10 ,nickel handle for 30/06,and 8 or so 310 sets for several handgun and rifle calibers.
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DavidVanVorous
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Posted: 19 May 2008 05:38 AM |
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Got started with my dad reloading back in the late '50s. Started out with an Ideal 310 to do 30-30 but we found out that neck sized brass wasnt reall working well in the lWinchester lever so an upgrade to a CH press was called for. That was fine until we started having issues with Pacific dies and 7x57 brass (difficult in the small"ish"CH) so the next upgrade was to one of the larger Herters C presses. That was back in '65 and I inherited all his hardware. Cant say as Ive had issues except that the Herters requires a bushing to use "std" dies and an adapter for "std" shell holders.
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Gnarly
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Posted: 27 May 2008 02:04 AM |
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I started reloading about 35 years ago and I still use my first press, which is a Herter's Super Model 3.The man I bought it from claimed he'd bought it new in 1964?
About a month ago, I bought an identical press on eBay for $19 (which comes out to $1 per lb.!)
Luckily, I have a neighbor who owns a machine shop & can build any adapters/bushings/shellholders I may need.He's always willing to barter for some of my venison summer sausage.
I've never used a progressive or multi-stage press....prob'ly not smart enough!
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DavidVanVorous
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Posted: 31 May 2008 05:50 PM |
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Gnarly wrote: I started reloading about 35 years ago and I still use my first press, which is a Herter's Super Model 3.The man I bought it from claimed he'd bought it new in 1964?
About a month ago, I bought an identical press on eBay for $19 (which comes out to $1 per lb.!)
Luckily, I have a neighbor who owns a machine shop & can build any adapters/bushings/shellholders I may need.He's always willing to barter for some of my venison summer sausage.
I've never used a progressive or multi-stage press....prob'ly not smart enough!
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I looked at some of the progressive presses that are out but fact of the matter is I dont use enough cartridges in one shooting session to merit the expense. That and that I use reloading time as decompression time. Its not like Im doing "production reloading" to deal with killer zombies or things of that ilke...
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DENNIS B
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Posted: 28 June 2008 09:05 AM |
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| I've been useing the same cast pacific C bress for 48 years ..I'm sure it will out last me . I couldn't guess how many thousands of rounds I've loader with it . It works as good now as the first day I got it .. And I never had a problem with it in all those years..DENNIS B
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unclebill
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Posted: 13 November 2008 01:36 AM |
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ive got a LYMAN ALL AMERICAN
i really like this solid hunk o steel
i have no idea how old this is.
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Posted: 13 November 2008 02:23 AM |
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unclebill, one of my set-ups is exactly like yours, only my green powder measure is an older Redding. I bought my Lyman All American turret in late 1965.
It has, and still serves me well. I can't even guess how many .32, .380, 9mm, .38 spl, .357 mag, .44 mag, .45acp, .45 auto rim, and .45 win mag that have been loaded using this press.
Matter of fact, I left my loading room about 10 minutes before starting this post. Have been loading .223 all week so far, using the old AA. I fully expect mine to outlast me!!
Good shooting.
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unclebill
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Posted: 13 November 2008 02:46 AM |
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it's a nice solid press.
the elderly fellow i bought it from took care of his toys.
ive still got the original box,manual and bill of sale.
it came with all kinds of old RCBS stuff that was kept in it's boxes with manuals also.
i paid $170 for the whole shooting match.
everything pictured.
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