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I picked up a Hornady hand priming tool the other day...I don't know why really, just because I like to try new stuff out I guess...
WOW! I have never and I mean never experienced a more over/under engineered piece of crap in my life...Ya gotta use new shellholders with the larger through hole diameter or...you can use your old one on the other side of the tray...with about an hours worth of machining...then the primers don't feed correctly, they get all turned around in the transfer from feed tray to primer tool...
I hope some of you guys have had better luck with it than I have...
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Buddy, you got that right!!!!!!! Iget a lot of supplies from Hornady, But I got their case trimmer last year,part of their quick attack/ lock-n-load equipment I guess. Pop in a case, flip the lever and its in quick, and very good and fast. HOWEVER, had to get those shell holders. After waiting 2 1/2 months , drilled out the hole in a set of RCBS shell holders so I could use the darn thing. They make quality equipment, but too specialized acessories. As far as hand prime, That cheap Lee is the real deal, never missed a lick. I think I'll get another for after all the bans take place.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26th, 2009 04:39 AM |
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I've had good luck with the Lee, you have to open base up, to work with wsm, 10 min with a file or one with a dremel.
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I love my Hornady priming tool, with the following exeptions.
Primers some times go in crooked (edge up)
handle jams
shell holder spins constantly
When priming 204 cases if you squeeze to hard it curls the rims
Other than that its just dandy.
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varmintcaller wrote: I love my Hornady priming tool, with the following exeptions.
Primers some times go in crooked (edge up)
handle jams
shell holder spins constantly
When priming 204 cases if you squeeze to hard it curls the rims
Other than that its just dandy.
Sounds just great to me... 
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| Posted: Sun Apr 26th, 2009 03:48 PM |
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Simple deal, read the instructions. Hornady makes no bones about it, the only shell holders that will work is theirs.
Have a variety of hand primers, and they all will let a primer get flipped sideways on occasion, and the Lee will let them get turned completely upside down.
The new RCBS universal handprimer is the best of the lot , as near as I can tell.
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Ranch 13 wrote: Simple deal, read the instructions. Hornady makes no bones about it, the only shell holders that will work is theirs.
Have a variety of hand primers, and they all will let a primer get flipped sideways on occasion, and the Lee will let them get turned completely upside down.
The new RCBS universal handprimer is the best of the lot , as near as I can tell.
A. The "instructions" are not printed on the outside of the sealed box, thus, when dealing with the volume sellers at the gun shows, this is not known until you get home.
B. Per instruction sheet in sealed box...Paragraph 4, Attaching the primer tray, it says the following: "Also make sure that the guide fits into the shell holder. Some older RCBS shellholders have a smaller through hole. A special tray has been provided for use with these shellholders. NOTE: Some shell holders require different primer guides. A special tray with smaller primer guide has been provided for use with older RCBS shell holders. It is important that you are using the correct tray with primer guides that best fit your shell holder."
Which means to me that my older RCBS shell holders should work with this thing!
I guess I should have read the instructions...
All of that taken into account...it still allows the primers to flip all different ways while entering the seating chamber. My assessment still stands...it's a convoluted POS!
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>>>The new RCBS universal handprimer is the best of the lot , as near as I can tell.<<<
it's a copy of lee's design, so it should be pretty good ~
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all companies have their own specs( and special tools/parts that fit/work with only their stuff)
i have turned primers sideways and upsidedown on presses as well both manual and progressive as well as in various primer presses,i wore out the first lee i got long long ago my new one has a steel link the old one did not and yup it was the link i wore out ( even being properly lubed)the hornady and the rcbs both work with regular shell holders ..of thier own make and recent vintage of course, the lee works with it's own as well tho for the cost of two shell holders one can buy a whole set of lee auto prime shell holders( i also have a couple old old lee single primers that came with the lee target handloaders -those take screw in shell holders) i have a barely used appox 5-6 year old rcbs priming tool i never use anymore ( i dont have that many rcbs shell holders) prolly one day i'll have to put it in the 4sale section )btw ? that old lee auto prime ? a new link cost me $1.99( and is steel not pot metal) and so now i leave it small primers and the new one large primers,on any tool but especially reloading taking our time and paying attention slows down the chances of messing up ! the strip primer the chances of a sideways upside down primer is drastically reduced but reloading the strips slows it down a bit ( umm i vote for the lee-one of the best pieces out there IMO for the ease and economy of it-but still brand specific for parts )
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TasunkaWitko wrote: >>>
it's a copy of lee's design, so it should be pretty good ~
No actually its a vast improvement of the lee design, and does have a stronger lever, not made of pot metal, so it don't snap off after a few thousand rounds,or seating tight fitting primers. Instead of pushing straight in with your thumb, it's built so just a squeeze of the thumb seats the primer. I believe you can seat more primers easier with the RCBS universal.
This new style RCBS doesn't use shell holders it has spring loaded fingers that grab the case rims. Only problem with it they didn't make it big enough to hold cases based off the 50 caliber blackpowder cartridges.
The old style rcbs was/is a pain in the toosh, have to break it down to change shell holders, and changing primer sizes was also a pain.Plus if you let it get turned upside down , the priming rods would just slide out.
If Lee's thumb lever wasn't such a flimsy piece of junk, I'ld like those pretty good , but with the new universal rcbs tool not having to change shell holders is a huge plus, and the shutoff gate that will stop the primer flow from the tray is a really nice touch, if you need to set the thing down before you get all the primers in the tray used up.
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I use the Forster Bonanza Primer Seater. Best I have used. No shell holders to buy, you adjusted them to case you are priming and using the seater for either small or large primers. Plenty of leverage and good feel when seating a primer.
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I have two Lee hand primers, one is for Large primers and the other is for small primers. One of these two is from when Lee started selling these primers. The other one I bought about 1990 or maybe before.
As these two have worked well for me and I have all of the Lee primer shell holders, I don't see the need for change.
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i've never used a hornady primer so i souldn't say much but my lee auto prime has lasted me several years and i couldn't ask for a better hand priming tool............................
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I love the Lee hand priming tool and they have served me well for years. The nice thing about them is if they break throw it out and by a new one. There dirt cheap
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recoil freak wrote: I love the Lee hand priming tool and they have served me well for years. The nice thing about them is if they break throw it out and by a new one. There dirt cheap
I have had my Lee for 30 years and primed 1000s of cases and only had to replace the ram once. Over the years it wore a grove in it and did not seat the primer deap enough. Cost about $4 and 3 days wait. Found it local later for $5 and could have been loading that day!
Yes it taks lees own shell holder but even today about every shop carries them and they cost $3-4.
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7mmdrops-em wrote: recoil freak wrote: I love the Lee hand priming tool and they have served me well for years. The nice thing about them is if they break throw it out and by a new one. There dirt cheap
I have had my Lee for 30 years and primed 1000s of cases and only had to replace the ram once. Over the years it wore a grove in it and did not seat the primer deap enough. Cost about $4 and 3 days wait. Found it local later for $5 and could have been loading that day!
Yes it taks lees own shell holder but even today about every shop carries them and they cost $3-4.
I have the Lee as well as the RCBS, and a Forrester machine. The Hornady was a real dissapointment. They finally contacted me via email and we are working out our differences... I think all will be well in the end.
The Lee has been the best overall for many years...
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I'm surprised at your problem with Hornady primer tool. I have several of these fitted with different size shell holders so there is no need to change holders when loading for different calibers. All function flawlessly and I've had no problems with different brands of holders in my Hornady tools. In fact I prefer the Lee holders. I've tried about every known type primer seater (And some not so known.) and have settled on the Hornady as the best overall auto feed primer seater, including the facts that they are most comfortable in my hand and seem to work forever. My Hornady primer seaters, by the way, are the earlier type with steel main body. More recent ones have a lightweight alloy body and I'm wondering if other changes have resulted in the problem(s) you have. The very best primer seater on the market is the Sinclair (See their wedsite) and are widely used by benchrest shooters who demand precise primer seating. However, they are relatively expensive and are not auto feed, requiring the primers to be hand positioned one at at time. Which is why I prefer the Hornady or any other tool with auto feed , as I do not like handling primers with my dirty/oily fingers. If the Sinclair seater had an auto feed attachment it would be the best of the best. I would buy a dozen and have told them so but so far no workable auto feed modification to the Sinclair has been forth coming.
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Have a Lee hand Primer and have had for several years, works good, but couple months ago< I twisted a wrist and could not seat primers with my thumb, so bought Hornady(Big Mistake), friend had a Old RCBS and it works great, but do not like tearing it apart to replace shell holders. Back to using Lee now.
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Relating to my post of several month ago (See above) I recently saw the latest version of Hornady's primer seating tool and understand why Choppersdad was disgusted. The new model has been redesigned to make it cheaper to manufacture and really is trash compared to the earlier model. I'm lucky to have several of the first type, even a few of the ones with a steel body. The good ones can be recognized by the fully rotating head and can thus be operated at any angle that feels best in your hand. If you can find one latch on to it as they are a gem. Sad to see a good product ruined just to save a few pennies, but I guess that's what the world is coming to.
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Offfhand wrote: Relating to my post of several month ago (See above) I recently saw the latest version of Hornady's primer seating tool and understand why Choppersdad was disgusted. The new model has been redesigned to make it cheaper to manufacture and really is trash compared to the earlier model. I'm lucky to have several of the first type, even a few of the ones with a steel body. The good ones can be recognized by the fully rotating head and can thus be operated at any angle that feels best in your hand. If you can find one latch on to it as they are a gem. Sad to see a good product ruined just to save a few pennies, but I guess that's what the world is coming to.
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Heard a rumor that Hornady's management has been taken over by the "younger generation". Anybody know for sure??
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