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Recieved, noted, and a thank you. :) Last edited on Tue Nov 10th, 2009 10:42 AM by OldStuffer
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You do understand that the Russian snipers used the Mosin as did the Koreans and the VC and the NVA. All that Draganov stuff is OK for the movies, but the real business was done by the Mosin for 50 years. They are kinda cobby, but they do shoot well for the most part. The major powers in WWII used pretty equivelent cartridges, 303, 7.7, 8mm, 7.62, 06 etc. All are very accurate in a decent barrel.
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Funny, there are bunches and bunches of M91/30s and M44s, still some M38s and M91/59s around, and they are cheap: just like US 1903s and 1917s used to be. I hate to see historical rifles cut up, but it sure makes mine appreciate in value everytime it is done. There will be a time when Mosins are as expensive as the Springfields, Enfields, Lee Enfields and others are.
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I do not worry about restoration to original in an economical milsup shooter like the Mosins. They are as basic as they come but still fully functional. I like them but use others to play with. wc
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To go along with the 67 year old Mosin, I recently obtained a very nice 66 year old (1943) Izhevsk 91/30 barreled action for a super nice price. For a few dollars more, the seller included a complete stock which turned out to be one of the nicest re-finish jobs I've seen. I had most of the internal parts in the spares locker and around 30 minutes after the action & stock arrived this afternoon, I had another old Russian "Whoop-Ass" launcher ready to play with. It has a very tight (.3105) bore with shiny, sharp riflilng and what appears to be a real good crown as well. The headspace is right on using the SAAMI spec gauges so I'm not afraid to shoot it.
I'm gonna take it to the range in the morning and see if my $60 bucks worth of parts shoots as good as it looks. Not installed in the picture is the cleaning rod & sling, but I have them as well, along with a complete tool and accessory kit.
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what do you mean boilled linseed oil. Do you actually boil the oil or is it just a term
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Before poly urethane, composite, and other synthetic stocks most were hand rubbed with linseed oil or other naturals. I preserved the wood and made it stronger.
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-6 wrote: Before poly urethane, composite, and other synthetic stocks most were hand rubbed with linseed oil or other naturals. I preserved the wood and made it stronger.
Most military rifles (other than Russian) were factory finished with BLO as well.
Sorry I didn't answer the questions earlier, but I wound up needing to have a pacemaker installed. I'm in much better working condition now, but can't do any shooting until after Valentine's day. I'm left handed and the cardiologist was very understanding. He put the pacemaker on my right side so shooting high powered rifles wouldn't interfere with it. I do have to wait until he declares everything firmly healed over and locked in place before shooting anything bigger than a .22 though.
I did get someone else to take the "mixmaster " Mosin 91/30 to the range though and it's grouping about 3/4" at 50 yards, so definitely a keeper. We managed to bust the front sight loose in the dovetail and adjust it to center up the group and some plastic tubing over the front sight post made it tall enough to center zero it at 50 yards with the rear sight set at the bottom.
I've been doing a bit of trigger work on it and now have 99 percent of the creep out of it and a clean breaking 3.2 pound pull. I'm trying to replicate this trigger job on my earlier 91/30 with the scope on it. Gonna be a long couple of months until I can really test 'em out myself. 
Now I'm reloading a bunch of ammo with some .312 diameter 175 grain cast lead bullets someone gave me over 19 grains of Alliant 2400. These should make good plinking bullets for the "mixmaster"
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I find what people do these classic rifle fascinating, but the ones that I buy were well loved during their services years, so the bores are not as good as they could be.
So my solution has always been is to measure the bore as best I can and then size cast bullets for that bore or use them as cast. This has worked for me for a long time.
You know if you put the bayonet on these rifles they could be included in the category as evil assault weapons. So far I never had a ground hog complain about the bayonet.
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miestro_jerry wrote: I find what people do these classic rifle fascinating, but the ones that I buy were well loved during their services years, so the bores are not as good as they could be.
So my solution has always been is to measure the bore as best I can and then size cast bullets for that bore or use them as cast. This has worked for me for a long time.
You know if you put the bayonet on these rifles they could be included in the category as evil assault weapons. So far I never had a ground hog complain about the bayonet.
Jerry Ain't it the truth! I don't mind messing with the Mosin 91/30's of the 1940's vintage because there were millions of them made and considering who cranked them out (conscript labor under Stalin), the finish quality is usually pretty rough. I've been lucky and gotten really decent bores. The "mixmaster" parts gun slugs pretty tight as Mosin's go - .3109. My original (the one I have optics on) slugs right at .3105 and other than the muzzle being out of round when I got it, is bright with sharp rifling. After a re-crown, it shot MOA with no trouble. The parts gun shot minute of paper plate at 50 yards on the first outing but printed way right. (Probably because I didn't have the bayonet on it as I didn't want to scare the natives on the indoor range.)
I don't have any casting equipment, so don't make my own bullets. I came into a bunch that someone made up a few years ago and were stored away. They were given to me. Marked 99 per box, 169 grain 30-06. I miked a handful from each box and they averaged .312 diameter and 174 grains, not 169 as marked. I got 5 boxes of 99.
Managed to find some Alliant 2400 at Gander Mountain here in Wichita (everyone else is out of it) and talked them down from 30 bux a pound to $24 so I brought some home. At 18 grains per shell I should be able to just about use up that pound on what bullets I have.
Impatiently waiting until Feb. when the Dr. will finally let me shoot the butt kickers again so I can really see what the parts gun will do compared to the other one.
Jim
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Jim,I hope things are going well for you.
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wheezengeezer wrote: Jim,I hope things are going well for you. Thanks.
Yup, I'm in far better shape now with lots more stamina than I had the last time I saw you (KSCCH get-together).
Be glad when they get that site back up and running - I need to advertise my January reloading classes.
Can't shoot anything bigger than a .22 until my cardiologist signs me off in a couple months, plus I gotta pass a Thalium & treadmill stress test the middle of January to boot. Dr. says tests show I did NOT have a heart attack, nor is there any indication that I ever had one.
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Charley wrote: 7.62x54R is almost a ballistic twin of the 7.62x51. Recoil is about the same, but rifle is about 8-9 pounds.
Charley, I gotta disagree with you on this one. 7.62X54R is a heck of a lot closer to the 30-06 balistically than the 7.62X51 NATO (.308 Win).
The bullet actually has slightly more retained energy at 1000 meters than the 30-06 in the WW2 military loadings.
Even at 8+ pounds, the recoil is pretty stout on the 91/30 with surplus 180 grain ammo and on the M44 carbines,it's about like shooting a 12 gauge with 3" 00 buck or 1 ounce slugs. The 147-150 grain surplus isn't bad though. There, the recoil is about like a .308 without a butt pad.
The 91/30 and the Finn M38 with steel butt plates with the 180 grain surplus stuff kick about like a 30-06 hunting rifle without a recoil pad.
They let you know you shot them, but like any other high powered bolt rifle, if you hold 'em tight to your shoulder, you won't have a problem.
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