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Could anyone out there explain the difference between the model 70 xtr featherweight and the model 70 classic featherweight? I'm trying to replace a rifle I had years ago. It was a model 70 XTR featherweight in .270. I found a classic featherweight that looks very much like the one I had and I just wondered what the difference, if any, was. Thanks.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25th, 2007 07:03 PM |
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If I am not mistaken the xtr were not the pretty stocked model 70`s.The xtr``s were a hunters rifle and not for looks.I could be wrong as I don`t own but one model 70 which is an old 300 Win Mag that was made the year I was born and has served me well all over the country hunting with her.If ya own a model 70,ya only need one was the way I figured it to take care of business but that is another story.
Any of you model 70 gurus got a solid answer on his question?And welcome to the board btw..
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25th, 2007 09:47 PM |
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here is a XTR Picture Push feed the Classic is a CRF gun like a Mauser
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Bensdad;
Texas Doc got it nailed, that is the big difference between the two. However, because of that big difference, there's a substantial difference in what the two sell for these days. The XTR should be priced some few hundreds of dollars under what the comparable classic will be.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19th, 2007 02:57 AM |
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BensDad, the XTR lacks the 3 position safety, big claw extractor, control round feed magazine and not to mention a nice piece of walnut for a stock in most cases. The value of the XTR is around Half of what a pre-64 action in a "classic" would be over the counter.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28th, 2010 09:10 PM |
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re: Questions on Winchesters Model 70 XTR rifles. I'm not an expert on this (or any thing else for that matter), so heres what I know about them. I bought my first one in 1980, it was made in 1978, it sat on the shelf for over a year, I got it new for $285, it was chambered for .270 Win. Model 70 XTR's were produced from 1978-1989. Initially there were only XTR's, they had quarter-sawn high grade monte carlo style maple stock with cut checkering, black forend/gripcap/buttplates with white line spacers(I put a Pachameyer white line recoil pad on mine).They came with factory iron sights, the front one was hooded, many people removed the hood because it showed a "ghost-ring" when viewed through a rifle scope, also people removed the sights completely as the rear one often prevented the lowest scope mount possible, how ever it it possible to mount a 40mm scope(Leupold VX1/2) using Burris/Redfield mounts/medium rings, I have two of them set up that way, one is a 1979, the other is a 1980, the 1978 .270 got stolen in 1980. The XTR's also had high gloss bluing, machine turned three position saftey bolt, commonly called "push-feed", it had a red colored cock indicator at the rear, and a gas deflector shroud. There is a varient of the XTR called the Featherweight and it is a XTR(introduced in 1981), I have one in 30-06. These differ consideraby from their counterparts: flat sawn maple stock with stylelized checkering, schanble fore end, and is lightly finished in oil. They originally came with a red rubber but plate however many might have been altered. They have a slim tapered high carbon molylebdenum steel barrel, no iron sights.
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XTR F'weight specs.: Mag. cap:5, (30-06)Barrel:22",OAL:42.50",LOP:13.50",D@C:1.375",D@H:1.75",Weight:6.75#,R.O.T.(RH):1n10".( XTR is approx. three quarters of a # heavyier), the F'weights bolt was similar in design/appearance it lacked the gas shroud and indicator, it shared the three position safety like it's counterpart. Note: Factory pictures/sales lit. show F'weight with a iron sight option, it wasnt available at time of production/sales,examples with sights are post factory installed. Gun stocks between models are NOT interchangeable partly due to slim taper bbl. design of F'weight. F'weights manufactured between Jan.'81-July'81 generally sell @ higher price(OLIN Winchester/Western as opposed-respectfully, to USRAC/Winchester), Ser# ID determines this, and Win. Repeating Arms butt pad, however people may have interchanged/replaced these. As I understand it presently Winchester will not perform extensive repair work on the barrel/action assy. bucause they did not manufacture these rifles. Anyways either of these rifles in good condition are fine shooters(if you like the astetics), and can be had for a descent price, they are well made, high quality, and probably have one of the best trigger designs. There is tons of aftermarket parts for them, and gunsmiths are will willing work on them. Last edited on Fri Jan 29th, 2010 09:00 PM by bluRAYwhale
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More "stuff" about Winchester's Model 70XTR's. The F'weight came from the factory with a epoxy bedded reciever. The recoil lug is visible from the right side of the gun only, the XTR has a "thru" design. Both models have a alum. hinged black painted floor plates with stainless stl. spring/follower. The trigger bow is also alum. Because of the lack of iron sights on the F'weight a scope can be mounted with "low" rings( I had the same 'smith glass bed/float/ adj. trigger/ mount scope(s) on my recent purchase of a XTR F'weight that did my '78 in 1980, this was in 2009). Pachmeyer still makes the whiteline pad that looks period correct and Leupold offers scopes in a gloss finish(I put wide duplex on two of them). I'm not much for buying guns as an investment, I dont discourage it either, I like shooting them, and I think my XTR purchase in '09 and the work done on it was probably done more to replace a lost item I was fond of. If any one is interested and new or recent to the ownership/use of firearms and is considering the purchase of one of these vintage rifles you might consider this: The XTR F'weight was originally offered in six cartridges, the XTR a few more, eventually so was the F'weight, out of those available the 30-06 is probably best for a few good reasons. If you are even remotely considering handloading and your new to that as well pretty much everybody makes '06 components, There is a ton of load data available, lots of reduced loads for younger/plinking/smallgame/economy shooting, and this cartridge's ability to duplicate/clone similar ones is legendary. Its simple to load ".270/30-30/.243/7mm/" stye ammo. at a considerable cost savings. I bought the F'weight for the youngest memberof our family and have no regrets, I dont think young adults are as recoil sensitive as some of us think, however they've yet to fire those 200gr, Speer bullets I recently bought. Lastly: what does "XTR" stand for? Extra. And XTR F'weights arent "sporters", amoung the Winchester line sporters are sporters . Last edited on Fri Jan 29th, 2010 11:30 PM by bluRAYwhale
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LilMag wrote: BensDad, the XTR lacks the 3 position safety, big claw extractor, control round feed magazine and not to mention a nice piece of walnut for a stock in most cases. The value of the XTR is around Half of what a pre-64 action in a "classic" would be over the counter.
Not entirely correct. I have three Winchester rifls marked as XTR. Two are the Featherweights, a .257 Robt. and 7x57 Mauser. They have the three position safety, and walnut stocks. FWIW the magazine of the push fed and controled feed are the same. Controlled feed just has the Mauser type claw extractor. The third rifle, a .270 Win. has a Featherweight styled McMillan (?) synthetic stock and 24" barrel rather than the 22" found on the Featherweights. I found it at a gun show for $400, Leupold scope and all and surpisingly, it is one of the most accurate rifles I've ever owned that I did not have to "tune up". Even before I did a trigger job on it, factory Winchester 150 gr. Power Point ammo shot groups in the .75" range. I cleaned up the trigger to an even 3 pounds and groups run from .50" to .80" depending on the load. It's the rifle I used to take my antelope last year.
FWIW, those three rifles are keepers.
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The XTR was a good finish and walnut stock.They were made when the standard was push feed.The classic came later.The pre 64 didnt handle ruptured cases worth a hoot.The new push feed was a vast improvement.The classic retained some of the plusses of the push feed.Antibind bolt and the ability to handle errant gasses.The classic with a new extractor to replace a weak cast is better than a pre.The slickest bolt of the three is the push feed.Mine will even work slowly upside down.
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