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I am not sure if you all have heard, but Canjar Triggers are no longer in buisness as of 31 October, 2007. I called them this week to see if I could obtain one of their trigger assemblies for my Ruger #1. I did speek to a gal by the name of Mary, and she informed me of the company closing the doors. Seems they weren't making enough money in the small market of precision shooters.
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I always hate to see a shooting-related business fold up. Especially the small, specialty ones with a reputation for good products. I guess it's called "economic reality" but it hurts nevertheless.
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That stinks,Ihave a CanJar set trigger on my 7x57mm custom,..Damned fine trigger.
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If you design a product that only applies to a small group(and NOT have a web site-that I've even been able to locate), you are bound to end up GONE. Fine trigger, just always a pain in the backside to acquire one.....
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You're right Scott, no website in this day and age, and you're not going to do well. I finally found their phone number and adress in Precision Shootings Handloading Guide, published in 1995. There are a number of suppliers and gunsmiths listed in that book that have no website.
What I gleaned from my conversation with Mary at Canjar was a bit of a different story, however. They had no lack of people contacting them, but alot of these potential customers had purchased factory rifles in the $400 to $500 range and couldn't justify spending half the original cost of the rifle for a trigger. They just couldn't comprehend that something "Custom" would have a big price tag to it. Apparently they were somewhat baffled that they couldn't just pick it up for the price of a Dayton Traystor trigger, or less. Funny how people want to run with the big dogs but they can't seem to lift the leg high enough to pee.
Anyway, Mary said if she happened to find a trigger assembly for a #1 she'd call me and let me know. They're in the process of cleaning up the shop and moving things out right now.
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Years ago, I used to go to Matt Canjar's shop to browse and sometimes to buy. His place then was in a less than desirable neighborhood, to say the least. After he died several years ago, his employees continued the business. I'm truly sorry to hear that they are closing up shop.
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I need to weigh in here. I worked at Canjar for a few months in 1994. Canjar (this would be an English spelling of his name-he was Czech, I believe) having no aires left the dilapidated old house, pre WWII surplus machines which had been well used before he got them, and ratty old game trophy heads on the wall of the office to these two women, Doris and Mary who had been faithful assemblers of his triggers for many years. Many employees had come and gone before I got there; the shop supervisor and another employee never showed back up to work while I was still there. Doris and Mary would spend hours trying to get the triggers to work, literally almost half were sent back by the customer because they didn't work for them, and every morning there would be messages left on the phone from customers wondering where there order was or other complaints. I'm not making this up. I am shocked they lasted until 2007! I was just checking thinking surely I wouldn't find anything about them here. These two women were two of the dullest bulbs I have ever seen: their problems were all due to incompetent or dishonest employees; it was never them. In order to solve any problem one should first be able to identify what the problem is; otherwise it never gets solved. Canjar must have kept many of the dimensions of the triggers in his head; there were few prints and I remember only a few tolerances. These women had a drawer full of trigger parts and they would keep grabbing something until it worked. They had part of the gun assemblies for each model to try them in, but apparently didn't realize that over the years and thousands of activations these things certainly had worn and then guns are made only to certain tolerances anyway and that was no guarantee the trigger would work flawlessly in the customer's gun. What you said sounds quite typical of their explanation of the “economic reality”; they were running the business on maxed out credit cards when I was there. I would consider myself extremely stupid to even contemplate such a practice. They spoke of Mr Canjar as if he was a genius. He was said to have been an engineer-WOW, I know I'm impressed. They treated me with no respect as if I was a stepchild even though I could say with little doubt I was the smartest person they ever had working there. Someone with a sub par IQ could make a sophisticated webpage, but my guess is it would be beyond the reach of these two dimwits. I saw these Timney and Basix triggers on the internet. Aren't they good enough? They claimed Canjar was better because the housing was machined out of tool steel and Timneys were cast. I don't know if that's true and sometimes you can make something “gold plated” when there's no need for it. They certainly are more reasonably priced and immediately available-one wouldn't need to wait months for these two fumblers. I hope they lost their houses over this; I thought that Mary was a very ugly and unpleasant woman anyway. Denver has always been a bad joke.
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discountbrains... Welcome to the forum.. You certainly started out with a bang!! How come you don't tell us how you really feel? I agree with you about Denver itself, but some of the suburbs are OK..
I can't tell you about the help at Canjar's back in the early seventies, but the Colorado School of Trades did a lot of business then with the company when Canjar was alive.. As far as I remember, there were no gripes about their product . Oh well, like the old saying "All good things must come to an end". - Or some such rot...
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Discountbrains,
Ditto on the welcome! Many folks have no idea of the inside workings of a company, and it is well you shed some light on this. I guess I can dry away my tears now. I had contacted Canjar just for the fact that I had heard they were the only folks to make a set trigger for the Ruger single shots. I guess it was serendipitous that I finally made contact with them at such a late date. Frankly, as far as triggers go, Timney and the rest are good triggers, but they make them for popular actions such as the bolt guns, (Mausers, M70's, Rem700's) ETC. It's sad the old man Canjar ran his buisness like that, and ended up letting it get into the hands of some real dandys'. There are more than a few stories of someone taking on a succesful buisness, and they think they can run it on prior succeses and reputation alone. Thanks for filling in the sad history of that place.
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I haven't tried one, but I have heard good comment on the Keplinger trigger for the Number One Rugers. I also hear they're a bit pricey too, but hen, I guess you only get what you pay for. Well, most of the time anyway.
The only two aftermarket triggers I know anything about are the Dayton-Traister and the Timney and if I had my "druthers", I'd go Timney every time. If you havr a rifle with the D-T trigger, cock it sometime and push the trigger from the rear. The firing pin will drop. I have two rifles with the D-T trigger and both do this. If you're out on a hunt, there is the possibility that a stick could get behind that trigger and you would have a AD. At the least you'd have a pair of dirty shorts. At the worst, you or someone in the vicinity just might get shot . I have several Timeny's on order that will be used to replace the D-T triggers.
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Intresting writeup on the rebirth of Timney in this month's American Rifleman.
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I need to weigh in here. I worked at Canjar for a few months in 1994. Canjar (this would be an English spelling of his name-he was Czech, I believe) having no aires left the dilapidated old house, pre WWII surplus machines which had been well used before he got them, and ratty old game trophy heads on the wall of the office to these two women, Doris and Mary who had been faithful assemblers of his triggers for many years. Many employees had come and gone before I was there; the shop supervisor and another employee never showed back up to work while I was still there. Doris and Mary would spend hours trying to get the triggers to work, literally almost half were sent back by the customer because they didn't work for them, and every morning there would be messages left on the phone from customers wondering where there order was or other complaints. I'm not making this up. I am shocked they lasted until 2007! I was just checking thinking surely I wouldn't find anything about them here. These two women were two of the dullest bulbs I have ever seen: their problems were according to them all due to incompetent or dishonest employees; it was never them. In order to solve any problem one should first be able to identify what the problem is; otherwise it never gets solved. Canjar must have kept many of the dimensions of the triggers in his head; there were few prints and I remember only a few tolerances. These women had a drawer full of trigger parts and they would keep grabbing something until it worked. They had parts of the gun assemblies for each model to try them in, but apparently didn't realize that over the years and thousands of activations these things certainly had worn and then guns are made only to certain tolerances anyway and there was no guarantee the trigger would work flawlessly for the customer. What you said sounds quite typical of their explanation of the “economic reality”; they were running the business on maxed out credit cards when I was there. I would consider myself extremely stupid to even contemplate such a practice. They spoke of Mr Canjar as if he was a genius. He was said to have been an engineer-WOW, I know I'm impressed. They treated me with no respect as if I was a stepchild even though I could say with little doubt I was the smartest person they ever had working there. Someone with a sub par IQ could make a sophisticated webpage, but my guess is it would be beyond the reach of these two dimwits. I saw these Timney and Basix triggers on the internet. Aren't they good enough? They claimed Canjar was better because the housing was machined out of tool steel and Timneys were cast. I don't know if that's true and sometimes you can make something “gold plated” when there's no need for it. They certainly are more reasonably priced and immediately available-one wouldn't need to wait months for these two fumblers. I hope they lost their houses over this; I thought that Mary was a very ugly and unpleasant woman anyway. Denver has always been a bad joke.
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Sorry, I didn't see my post so I re-posted it. Yeah, what I find so troubling about this is that here were two people who were handed a business where the products sold on reputation alone and while good talented people struggle to get a business of their own going these two make a total mess of it.
If I were to go back to Colo. I'd go straight for Colo. Springs without question. Eventhough, there are a lot of conservatives there: retired military and Christian radio stations it has so much more going for it including much nicer winter weather.
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Paul B wrote: I haven't tried one, but I have heard good comment on the Keplinger trigger for the Number One Rugers. I also hear they're a bit pricey too, but hen, I guess you only get what you pay for. Well, most of the time anyway.
The only two aftermarket triggers I know anything about are the Dayton-Traister and the Timney and if I had my "druthers", I'd go Timney every time. If you havr a rifle with the D-T trigger, cock it sometime and push the trigger from the rear. The firing pin will drop. I have two rifles with the D-T trigger and both do this. If you're out on a hunt, there is the possibility that a stick could get behind that trigger and you would have a AD. At the least you'd have a pair of dirty shorts. At the worst, you or someone in the vicinity just might get shot . I have several Timeny's on order that will be used to replace the D-T triggers.
Paul B.
I have a couple of D-T triggers on rifles, as well as Timneys, and I have had no problems with either of them. My D-T's have never had the issue you speak of. I'm wondering if they were installed and adjusted correctly. I happen to know the folks who make the Dayton-Traistors in Oak Harbor, WA. Got to know them well when I was stationed there in the Navy. Any adjustable trigger that is set up too lightly or incorrectly is not a good thing on a hunting rifle, IMHO.
Some of the folks I shoot with competitively have said the Keplinger trigger is not worth the money for the product you get. It's ok for a bench gun, but for offhand target shooting it won't go light enough. Just what I've garnered from competitive shooter circles.
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Bill
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My only experience with Canjar triggers was a nice old Ruger M77 (early model) that I bought - a .22-250 with heavy barrel. Nice varmint rifle. It had the nicest trigger I had had up to that time. I thought 'shoot' and it shot! 
I ended up selling it when I needed money more than the rifle. Wish I still had it.
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BPCR Bill wrote: Paul B wrote: I haven't tried one, but I have heard good comment on the Keplinger trigger for the Number One Rugers. I also hear they're a bit pricey too, but hen, I guess you only get what you pay for. Well, most of the time anyway.
The only two aftermarket triggers I know anything about are the Dayton-Traister and the Timney and if I had my "druthers", I'd go Timney every time. If you havr a rifle with the D-T trigger, cock it sometime and push the trigger from the rear. The firing pin will drop. I have two rifles with the D-T trigger and both do this. If you're out on a hunt, there is the possibility that a stick could get behind that trigger and you would have a AD. At the least you'd have a pair of dirty shorts. At the worst, you or someone in the vicinity just might get shot . I have several Timeny's on order that will be used to replace the D-T triggers.
Paul B.
I have a couple of D-T triggers on rifles, as well as Timneys, and I have had no problems with either of them. My D-T's have never had the issue you speak of. I'm wondering if they were installed and adjusted correctly. I happen to know the folks who make the Dayton-Traistors in Oak Harbor, WA. Got to know them well when I was stationed there in the Navy. Any adjustable trigger that is set up too lightly or incorrectly is not a good thing on a hunting rifle, IMHO.
Some of the folks I shoot with competitively have said the Keplinger trigger is not worth the money for the product you get. It's ok for a bench gun, but for offhand target shooting it won't go light enough. Just what I've garnered from competitive shooter circles.
Regards,
Bill
I have two different rifles with the D/T triggers and both do the same thing I described. My gunsmiths at the Hrry lawson company both state that they wouldn't touch a D/T trigger with a ten foot pole. In fact, wwhen i worked for a gunsmith in Nevada, he didn't much like them and would only reluctantly install one if the customer was insistant. There must be a reason why three experienced gunsmiths didn't like them.
As far as the Keplinger triggers goe, people who have put them on their Ruger #1 rifles seem to think they're OK I haven't used one so I'll withhold judgement.
Paul B.
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