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Posted: 22 May 2005 12:35 AM |
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What is considered appropriate for a dedicated 1000 yard rifle?I do not shoot at this range with my rifles and I`ve not given serious thought to telescopic sights to at this range.With the 1000 yard BSB challenge cup,I may not be able to tag a critter at 1000 but I may shoot my 300 Win Mag with a 220 gr bullet at a target for it.
Interested to hear you fellas take on primo optics for it.
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Posted: 23 May 2005 01:27 AM |
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a (very) general rule of thumb for a minimum scope is that you need 1x for every 100 yards. thus, 10x would be the minimum for shooting to 1000.
however, there are lots of folks who target shoot 1000 yards w/ iron sights - shooting black powder loads no less! there are also fellas that use a 32-40x scope (nightforce, uso) for shooting 1000.
for me, something in the 15x is an absolute minimum, and something around 25x is the max. less than 15x and you give up too much for small targets, over 25x and mirage is absolutely brutal, especially if you shoot from a ground position (prone is the worst).
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Posted: 23 May 2005 03:09 AM |
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Hey Dakota.The most common problem I have had with scopes at long range and high power is mirage.Over about 14 power on a sunny day and it becomes noticeable.I have gone to using a sun shade on my 6x24 when I use it at above 12X..
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Posted: 23 May 2005 03:40 AM |
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my leupold 8.5-25 wears 2 sunshades (9"? i think, maybe 12"? - not for sure, but there's plenty there), and it doesn't matter. it keeps the mirage from the barrel from becoming a problem, but doesn't do dick for the mirage coming off the ground. the absolute worst for mirage that i have dealt w/ was a bright day when there is snow on the ground. gotta turn down to maybe 8x, and even then it can be problematic.
on a good, cloudy day, you can really crank the magnification up and wonder why there's so much debate on what scope is best for shooting long... then the other 300 days of the year, you keep trying to come up w/ a better mousetrap...
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Posted: 24 May 2005 06:59 AM |
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I use either the Night Force 8x32 or 12x 42.Mirage can be dealt with if you practice in it enough.It's like surfing you have to learn to ride the swell.The times it turns to vortex can be tough though.I mostly shoot on 32 x but have had to drop to 20x in 38 degree Celcius temps.
My son like the leupold 8.5 x 25.Be careful that the scope you buy in this model has the cross hairs centered.They have had heaps go back for correction.Not a major issue for you blokes but it's a long way from here.
There are shooters using straight 36x weavers at 1000 and copeting well.
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Posted: 25 May 2005 06:04 AM |
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| I just got UPS delivery today from SWFA with my SuperSniper 20x42mm that's going to be on the .338 Kahn, once it's completed. I think this would be appropriate for a dedicated 1K yd. rifle. I liked 50's SS 16x42mm so much I had to give one a go. The price they're currently selling for is just a bonus for a nice LR scope. I'd like to exceed 1500 yds. with this rifle when it's all said and done but probably shouldn't count my chickens none to early, as 1K yds. still stands as my top end goal for the moment. This is the last piece of the puzzle that I needed to purchase for my extreme range rig. The end is getting closer . Later. >> klallen Last edited on 25 May 2005 06:05 AM by klallen
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Posted: 25 May 2005 10:44 PM |
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| Some muey bueno optics listed here fellas...
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Posted: 28 May 2005 07:08 PM |
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I'll give a vote for Nightforce as a great long range scope. Although I don't shoot at 1,000 yards I take a lot of shots at some metal targets our range has at 440 yards. With the 5.5-22X56 NXS I can see exactly where my 308 is hitting. On paper targets at 300 yards I can easily see 22 caliber holes. The adjustments have always been more precise than on some of my Leupolds. I'd buy another NXS in 8-32 or maybe even the 12-42, but man are they expensive.
I do like my Leupold LRT 6.5-20X50, and if I didn't have the NXS to compare it to I'd probably think it was the best. They've been going up in price the last couple years too, but overall I think these scopes are worth the money.
The SS 16X that Fifty has is very tempting, especially the price, and I might end up with one of those in my collection.
Back in the days when my only bolt gun was a M77 22-250 with a Weaver V16 I managed to shoot a 5 1/2" five shot group at 550 yards on paper. Not real good by many guys standards, but it was the first and only time I've shot paper that far, so even a V16 (4-16X) is probably capable of long range work.
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Posted: 28 May 2005 10:27 PM |
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http://www.usoptics.com/sub_pages/scope_model.php?recordID=10
http://www.horusvision.com/hv.cfm?pg=demosystem
The US Optic in my opinion, is the best scope on the market. This scope is very rugged and would be my pick. I have two Leupold 6.5 x 20 Targets and two Leupold 4.5 x 14 Tactials M3 with 30 mm Tubes which are great but i think the US Optics scope are better. Just wish they didn't cost 2500.00 each. For the money the Super Sniper sounds like it is the best buy for the average shooter , who is just getting into long range rifles. One day i would like to own the US Optic with Horus Vision Ret.
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Posted: 30 May 2005 06:15 AM |
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That is sharp bea.I looked at some Swarovski optics the other day..  Someday I might buy a Swarovski.. They are expensive!!!
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Posted: 31 May 2005 08:15 AM |
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TG I have found that in life you usually get what you pay for.Swarvoski has the best glass I have used.Zeiss may be close.
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Posted: 1 June 2005 03:12 AM |
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macca wrote: TG I have found that in life you usually get what you pay for.Swarvoski has the best glass I have used.Zeiss may be close.
Macca
I totally agree macca and you do pay!! and pay some more!! for a Swarovski..Fine optics though.
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Posted: 2 June 2005 06:13 AM |
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I like something in the 15 to 20x range. Optical clarity is actually far more important then magnification power. A top quality 15x will offer much better shooting at 1000 yards then a lower quality 24x.
The SS scopes are very good for the money.
I just purchased an XOTIC USS 4-16x 56mm and mounted it on my 2000 yard rifle and have been very impressed with it so far. Clarity is on par with the Nightforce scopes as it has Zeiss class and vertical adjustment is also the same as the Nightforce scopes.
It has a first focal plane reticle system so the mil dot reticle stays consistant in size to the target over the entire power range, a VERY good feature especially in a long range big game hunting scope.
Best thing it runs $800 compared to $1400 for the nightforce and so far it is very nearly as much scope. Only thing is it is only offered in the 4-16 version and I would perfer a 5-20x version personally.
Still I have taken chucks at +1000 yards with one shot using 15x and the ram I posted about was ease to take a shot at on 10x.
Don't get to caught up in magnification power, optical quality is every bit as important.
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Posted: 2 June 2005 12:21 PM |
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| Good post 50...I hear good things about these SS scopes everywhere.
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Posted: 2 June 2005 03:05 PM |
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I'm thinking about ordering one to try on my 308 Heavy Varmint. I like the side focus adj. ,so will probley go with the 10 power Super Sniper because if i'm right ,it is the only power they offer with this feature. I have a Leupold 4.5x14 M3 with Mil Dot on this rifle and would just like to compare them and see if the cost for the Leupold is worth it.
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Posted: 3 June 2005 02:12 AM |
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Bea,if you get one I wanna hear the scoop on it to.I`ve got a little project that has been a peice here a peice there kind of thing...
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Posted: 3 June 2005 11:15 AM |
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Whilst I totally agree with your comments on clarity,I have to disagree on your comments on magnification.
In a hunting situation 10x and above is adequate, but even15x and 20x fall down in competition target shooting.
Whilst many start with low magnification scopes few keep using them if they want to be competitive. I can assure you trying to put 10 shots in a 0.5 MOA centre at 1000yards in ten minutes is not the domain of a 15x scope. I very seldom shoot below 32x regardless of mirage and i prefer higher.
If you were commenting on hunting only I apologise.
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Posted: 3 June 2005 08:59 PM |
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There's a lot of good points being brought up here about glass quality and magnification. Personally I like a lot of power to get a detailed view of my target, when shooting from a bench. But the glass better be darned good so I can see the view clearly. In a hunting scope I'm more concerned with glass quality than power.
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Posted: 12 June 2005 12:08 AM |
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Did not reallize we were talking about shooting for score on paper, I though we were looking to use this scope on game or varmints???
When the humidity is +40% and the temp is over 70 degrees, I will take a 15x over a 24x or 32x at 1000 yards anyway. Mirage is a high power scope killer.
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Posted: 12 June 2005 12:14 AM |
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prairie dogs = reactive paper, don't they?? gotta see them pretty clearly, and depending on how much mirage i can tolerate on a given shoot will dictate the power i use...
as for big game hunting, i haven't shot anything bigger than a coyote beyond 600, and at this time, i don't have any plans to either... i found that i really enjoy the stalk, not a lack of skill or even gear.
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