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Timberghozt
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Posted: 22 July 2008 05:29 PM |
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I have two,one is a savge model 12 single shot bolt action I had Kirby Allen of Allen Precision shooting rechamber to 223 AI for me(one of the best gunsmiths you`ll ever see I might add)..It is a sweet little shooter..
The other I had built as a long range coyote rifle,a mauser action 25-06 Ackley Improved with a 26 inch bullbarrel ..This rifle has begun to amaze me..With my handload she is a coffee cup shooter at 500 yards.It took some work but she is there.
Surprisingly I have found that this rifle is a superb pig whacker and deer shooter,maybe more suited for deer than yotes(but I like having that bullet smack the piss out of a yote at 300 plus yard , as he sits out there taunting me saying"he cant hit nothin at this range" followed by a thwap and oops  )
a few pics of my AI`s to follow..I wanna see what you AI fans are shootin
TG
My 25-06 Ack on my loading bench
my 223 AI with a blackbuck antelope doe I killed while I was on leave from Iraq in November last year.
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72coupe
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Posted: 22 July 2008 06:05 PM |
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I've been thinking about what a great cartridge a 8X56R Manlicher would make. Its a very large case with very gently sloping sides and almost no shoulder.
Blow that baby out to a straight taper and put a 40° shoulder on it and it would hold a lot of powder.
The problem is that the rifles commonly available for it only weigh about 6 1/2 pounds and recoil with standard factory ammo is really bad. Add 6 or 8 grains more powder and it would kill on both ends.
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Timberghozt
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Posted: 22 July 2008 06:29 PM |
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Have it muzzle braked..I have a lightweight 7mm Rem Mag that was a true bruiser to shoot..I hated it simply cause of the recoil..I had her braked,and its like a sweet little shooter now(but LOUD)
I agree,that 8x56 case would be wicked blown out and straightened..I`d like to see it doneand hear how it shoots in the deer woods
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72coupe
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Posted: 22 July 2008 06:57 PM |
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| The little carbine that the 8X56R is chambered in is a delight to handle. With light loads it is really pleasant to shoot. But it would look a little funny with a muzzle brake on it.
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Timberghozt
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Posted: 24 July 2008 12:16 AM |
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72 I have 3 thirty ought sixes here ...I have a 700 Rem I am thinking about having reamed to a AI 40 degree...just as an experiment to see how close I can get to 300 Win performance..The 700 action is plenty strong and loaded with 150 grain Nosler ballistic tips oughta be a fine Texas whitetail shooter..(and nasty assed nuisances like wild hogs oughta be more than good for)
I just want another oddball realy haha
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72coupe
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Posted: 24 July 2008 12:29 AM |
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| Yeah me too. That is why I bought the little Manlicher. I just wish I had more time to tinker.
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Rockydog
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Posted: 24 July 2008 03:17 AM |
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| TG, While you are looking at the AI cartridges you might alsp want to check out the Gibbs Cartridges. Also made from .06 cases. I got some Gibbs brass at a garage sale. Most of it 25 Gibbs. Also a collection of wildcat Cartridges. I'll see if I can post some pics. RD
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Rockydog
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Posted: 28 July 2008 03:04 AM |
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| Timber, I tried to post some photos of the .25 Gibbs along with the 25-06 and the 25-06 AI but I can't seem to make the upload work. The Gibbs has a shorter neck which lengthens the shoulder and looks like it may increase powder capacity. If you are curious I'll fill one with water and weigh it for capacity and we could compare it to the AI. RD
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Posted: 28 July 2008 11:47 AM |
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Sure thing bud,I `d like to see how case capacity works out versus the AI cartridges
you have to use photobucket.com or another pic host to post pics easily..I think there is a post somewhere here from bea175 on how to post pics using photobucket Its pretty simple once ya get registered at photobucket.com
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Posted: 30 July 2008 02:13 AM |
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Timberghozt wrote: Have it muzzle braked..I have a lightweight 7mm Rem Mag that was a true bruiser to shoot..I hated it simply cause of the recoil..I had her braked,and its like a sweet little shooter now(but LOUD)
I agree,that 8x56 case would be wicked blown out and straightened..I`d like to see it doneand hear how it shoots in the deer woods
Seems to me that one might add weight in the stock and forend without too much difficulty. Done all the time with trap guns, all sorts of recoil "reducers" are touted. I don't have any real experience with them, my trap gun is over 9 lbs out of the box. We know that recoil itself isn't reduced, but the effects are far lessened where the butt meets the bone. That said, feeding her weights can mess with balance, and become a PIA while walking down that hog. Might be worth an experiment with a cheap stock. Find the balance point and add weights fore and aft to hold that point, drill holes and pour in lead shot to suit. Or buy one of those mercury shock absorbers and stick it in, see what happens. (Don't scrap the brake just yet ---) 
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Posted: 30 July 2008 02:27 AM |
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| I have two 22-250 Ack Imp one sporter weight and one heavy barrel, I have the 280 Ack Imp and the 257 Ack Imp. I do like them.
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Posted: 30 July 2008 03:31 AM |
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How about a former fan??? A good number of years ago I traded into a Sharps Borchardt (mod 1878) chambered in .219 Ackley Zipper. Professionally done probably long before I got it. Action had been modified with a bushed smaller diameter firing pin, 26" med heavy bbl with some very nice wood. I don't remember the twist rate, but it preferred the old 55gr Nosler Zipedo bullet. With thin-skin 50gr bullets, the velocity had to be below 3500fps. Anything over that, all the spotter saw over your shoulder was a grey streak. I made my cases from 25-35 Win brass because even back then, .219 Zipper cases were pretty hard to come by. A great prairie dog getter with a 10 power Unertl target scope. One of the ones I still have seller's remorse over!!
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Posted: 30 July 2008 05:14 AM |
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TG, I measured the case capacity of the .25 Gibbs tonite. Boy was I surprised! In the empty cases I had the Gibbs and the AI had exactly the same capacity. The Ackley case was reformed Military while the Gibbs case was RP as was a .25-06 case I had. I tried two kinds of powder. IMR 4350 yielded 67 grains in both the Gibbs and the AI. The .25-06 was 63.6 grains. My thought was this can't be right.
So I got out the finest ball powder I had just to check capacity that way. I filled the Gibbs first at 71.1 grains. I poured the powder right from the scale pan into the AI case and it fit right to the kernel! the .25-06 held 68 grains
The calipers told the story. All three cartridges had the same OAL. The Gibbs measured 2.265 to the base of the neck. The AI measured 2.160. But even though the Gibbs looks bigger due the the shorter neck it has more taper to the case. Just behind the shoulder it measures .450. The AI case measured .455. The .25-06 measured .442. This taper in the Gibbs must take up the extra shoulder room. So, IN MY CASES, it looks like there is no advantage to the Gibbs. In fact because you can fireform cases directly from factory loads in the AI, and even use factory loads to hunt in a pinch, you'd be better off than forming a false neck on an .06 case to build the Gibbs round. RD
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