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45 ACP primer size
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 Posted: Fri Mar 11th, 2011 11:18 PM
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Which is better 45 ACP with large or small primer?
Why?
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 Posted: Fri Mar 11th, 2011 11:27 PM
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considering that until lately it only came in large size ... the lately now includes smaller size primed with ummm non-toxic primers ( they should state the truth on this - less toxic perhaps would be better ) i've only a few small primer 45 cases and as such while i have tested them the testing so far has been limited ( ie; they go bang and hit my targets with the same regularity of the larger primers ) group size seemed no larger or smaller even when i tried to make sure i had a great rest , perhaps some one with a 45 carbine will test them out and get back to us ?



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Thecyberguy wrote: Which is better 45 ACP with large or small primer?
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Guy, I don't know which is "better", but large pistol primers have been used in this cartridge since dirt was new except for a bastard size used for a while by the military arsenals, and maybe some commercial during a couple of wars..

Seems to me that using small pistol primers where  required would necessitate working up loads all over again in the higher velocity rounds. Maybe someone can confirm this or not.. :confused:



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Will stick to large primers. Why change?



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I found a place that is selling once fired Speer for $6 per 100 , but they are small primer.

That is why I was wondering. With Nick having a 45, we got Dave one for Christmas and he is also looking at an XD in 45. I will be needing some more brass this summer.
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Thecyberguy wrote: I found a place that is selling once fired Speer for $6 per 100 , but they are small primer.

$6/C, I might just grab a few hundred of those, and use the Sm primers up at todays new brass prices.



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TMan51 wrote: Thecyberguy wrote: I found a place that is selling once fired Speer for $6 per 100 , but they are small primer.

$6/C, I might just grab a few hundred of those, and use the Sm primers up at todays new brass prices.
  TMAN....
http://oncefiredbrass.com/
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Thecyberguy wrote: TMAN....
http://oncefiredbrass.com/
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Thanks Cyberguy.  Actually I have about 3000 once fired Federal and Remington I picked up many moons ago, but if I didn't, the link you forwarded would be just the ticket.

 



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IMO, balistically the difference is going to be very close to zero.

The "typical" load is a small (under 4 grains) of very fast powder (Bullseye) at a very moderate pressure (under 20,000psi).

The fact that BILLIONS of .45 auto rounds have been made with large primers, and at most, a couple hundred thousnd made with small primers, means brass you find is 99.6% likely to be large primer.

I have no interest in them, it'd just complicate my loading needlessly. They are certainly "usable" tho.



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Some "monkey" always has to throw his wrench into a perfectly good plan. Now I will have to be watching my range pickups even closer--danged monkeys.



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Yes you will -6. I've run across a few myself.

My Loadmaster tried (not by choice or with my consent tho) to get a WLP to fit in the hole. :( It failed.

As with all progressives, when something goes awry, got to separate all the partially worked cases out of the way, be VERY CAUTIOUS not to loose track of each one's position and status, and clear the issue, get everything back to normal, reposition all cases, and "press on".



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Most, if not all of the non toxic ammo is produced with SP primers.

The only difference in reloads, between the 2 primer sizes, will be velocity.  I personally have not proved this with the chrono - too much snow and too cold.

As soon as I can I'll chrono to prove to myself.

 

It's also been said that SP magnum primers may make up the difference.



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