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Load data for Ranier or Berry's 40sw?
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 Posted: Sun Mar 20th, 2011 03:05 PM
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I am looking for some load data for Berry's or Rainier 180 gr Bullets?  I have read to load them like a lead bullet but I have also heard you can use FMJ or normal HP load data... So, that leaves me a tad confused as they are plated if my memory serves me correct.

I would like to shoot 180 gr HP as close to or above 1000 fps I can, that seems to be  closest to my Speer GDHP carry ammo. I will be using bullets from either of these companies (cheapest I can find by almost 6 cents a bullet), but not sure what data to use to load them. I would also like to stay as close to or above 1000 fps if at all possible.

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 Posted: Sun Mar 20th, 2011 03:16 PM
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JT, The Berry's are loaded with cast data and according to Berry's function well up to 1250 fps. Here are some previous threads on this issue.

http://www.handloadersbench.com/view_topic.php?id=13325&forum_id=31&highlight=berry%27s+bullets

http://www.handloadersbench.com/view_topic.php?id=12377&forum_id=91&highlight=berry%5C%27s+bullets



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 Posted: Sun Mar 20th, 2011 03:17 PM
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umm load'em low and slow , if one desires top performance then it kind of goes against the idea to use a plated bullet ( at least a thin plated bullet ), but they do work great for target loads , the 40 is also IMHO a problematic round , it's what's deemed a hi-intensity round and small changes in powder charges and seating depths can be catastrophic
from berry's site
" Plated bullets occupy a position between cast bullets and jacketed bullets. They are soft lead, but have a hard outer shell on them. When loading plated bullets we have found best results using low- to mid-range jacketed data in the load manual. You must use data for a bullet that has the same weight and profile as the one you are loading. Do not exceed mid-range loads. Do not use magnum loads."

http://www.berrysmfg.com/faq-q9-c1-How_do_I_load_Berrys_Preferred_Plated_Bullets.aspx

what you do with that information is of course up to you

the speer gold dot is a plated bullet in truth tho i believe the plating is much thicker and hence more apt to resist deformation especially during crimping and sudden pressure spikes such as firing



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 Posted: Mon Mar 21st, 2011 06:37 AM
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thank you!



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Just a note....I was working up a load for 9mm with 115 gr. Raniers and even the loads loaded on the suggested upper end would short cycle in my Beretta and that was with magnum small pistol primers. Being that there were no obvious signs of excessive pressure, I continued to work up in 1/10th gr. increments watching for pressure signs until my firearm would cycle reliably and then increased 2/10's gr. and stopped. My sidearm is quite accurate with this load with NO signs of excessive pressure or barrel leading, and I believe I am a bit above the 1200 fps max as recommended by the manufacturer.........I don't have a chrony.
 
PLEASE NOTE: I started very low and worked up, and I am very confident with this load.

I do apologize realizing the fact this is not concerning the .40 S & W but felt it might give a little insight.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 22nd, 2011 09:21 PM
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it does give some insight. I am liking the price of rainier, but Hornady at wideners.com is $13.90/100 and I might spend a little more and get them... Still have time before I start loading. I have a single stage press and am doing all the case prep and priming before I buy the powder and bullets. it takes along time to decap, flare, and prime a couple thousand cases with a single stage!



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