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Need .38 spec. load data using 125 gr lead flat nose and 100 gr lead flat nose
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 Posted: Thu Sep 1st, 2011 05:54 AM
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I'm just getting back into reloading for pistols and I'm trying to work up some mild .38 spec loads for my .357 Blackhawk.  I've just purchased two bullets I can't find load data for and I'm hopeful forum members can help me.  These are Hunters Supply brand (from Midway). one is a .359" 100 grain hard cast lead flat nose and the other is a .357" 125 grain hard cast lead flat nose.  The powders I have on hand are Bullseye and Clays.
Can anyone help me out?



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Generally you may substitute STARTING data for bullets of the same weight in other brands. If you go to the Hodgdon site there is a clays load for a 125 cast LRNFP. You should be safe with the starting load and carefully work up to Max. Watch closely for pressure signs and leading which will increase pressures. The .357 bullet might be a bit small for your .357 bore and if so will likely lead. Never know until you try though. Good luck. RD

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Thanks 'Dog.  I've put this on a sticky note for my bulletin board.  Will try this load over the weekend.



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'Dog--I just checked out the Hodgdon site and it lists a starting load of 2.5 grains of Clays for the 125 grain LRNFP .357" bullet which produces a velocity of 810 fps.  Interestingly, the site also list the 2.5 grains of Clays as a start load for a 90 grain cast LRNFP (a .359" bullet) which produces a velocity of 705 fps.  It appears that I could start out with the 2.5 grains of Clays for both my 125 gr bullet and the 100 grain. Does this sound reasonable to you?



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If Hodgdon publishes it on their site it's reasonable. I load that same load for my wife to shoot in my .357. Recoils like a .22 magnum. I'm sure you'll end up using more powder but it's a good starting load. Much lighter and you may stick a bullet in the barrel. RD



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in general one may use data for a heavier bullet/boolit with a lighter bullet but the same doesnt apply conversely ie; a lighter projectile's data is bad juju with a heaver projectile , sadly while it's true most powder manufacturers have limited online dats ( for free ) mostly it's for jacketed bullets , i'm not sure where the link is but hodgdon also has cowboy action data , there they used to list more data for the lead boolits , sadly i cant offer much else as i usually load heavier boolits/bullets



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Yes, I'll probably ease up a few more tenths of a grain, but not much more.  Arthritis has pretty much destroyed both thumbs and pistol recoil is painful. Hence, my search for a good light bullet/light recoil combo that is also accurate.  I'll keep you posted on how this goes.



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Yep, I'd like to load/shoot heavier bullets but arthritic thumbs preclude that.



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try trailboss , hodgdon has a online formula for about any cartridge and between my limited experience with it and everyone else's greater experience it truly does offer low recoil with decent velocity ( but i havent tried it in this cartridge yet ) it's pretty popular as well for cowboy shooting and there brutal recoil isnt desired only fun and accuracy



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I'll look into the Trailboss. A local sporting goods store (Sportsman's Warehouse) has a good inventory of powders and I'll pick me up a can.  Might even look into this cowboy shooting thing, but only if one of the stations is guarding the chuck wagon.:wink:
Appreciate your help on this--that's what I was hoping to get out of this forum.



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chchchuck wagon ? mmmm peach cobbler inna dutch oven dang i just ate dinner and now i'm craving dessert

the trail boss and my limited playing has gone great ! quite a few members here have also played with it with great results , try our search feature and i believe you'll pull up some interesting discussion on/about it ! one doesnt have to actually do the cowboy shoot to appreciate the low recoil of the loads designed for the sport , while they have fun many things transcends one shooting sport to another :wink:



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Sounds like light bullets and Trail Boss is the low recoil recipe I'm looking for. Thanks for the suggestion.



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Fryboy--I went out and bought me a can of Trail Boss this afternoon and I'll load up some .38's with it.  I'm used to buying powder in a one pound can and this stuff came in a nine ounce container.  Paid $14.99 for it which would make it over $26.00 a pound--pretty pricey stuff!



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funny that you just commented as i was reading your thread and debating if i should explain the beauty of wadcutters ...lolz
the lil silver green donuts ( in case you havent looked yet ) are also abnormal , if you'll note that the 9 oz. also fills up a can about as much as regular type powder ( ie's it's fluffy lite weight stuff ) charge weights are also fairly small , they did raise the price a few months back altho powder valley has it for $11.20 ( IIRC ) unless you live close you'd have to pay hazmat so for a local price 15 isnt too far out of line , trail boss also has a new competitor - Vv is making what they call "tin star" it's $32 a pound at powder valley ( btw ? powder valley does have some of the best prices on the web so it's probably even more elsewhere ) here's imr's data for a 125 grain lead flat point
"125 GR. CAST LRNFP IMR Trail Boss .358" 1.445" 3.0 ( start charge ) 753 FPS 11,600 PSI 5.3 ( max charge ) 952 (FPS 13,400 PSI
http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

if you only load the starting charge my quick math figures a few over 1,300 loads per your 9 oz. ( does that make it look any better ? lolz ) erm to be fair 750-800 at max



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   3 grs. of bullseye is a nice mild load for that bullet in .38 spl........  

 

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yep trailboss is awesome, i use it in .38-.357, .44,.38-55, and .45-70, velocity is good enough for lead practice and accuracy is also good. @300rds/can in .45-70,and @500rds in .38-55, still pretty cheap shooting for rifle rounds,and they are both accurate.



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You got me to thinking about the actual price per load on the Trail Boss.  Here's my calculations: The 9 oz. can has 3937 grains and using 3.0 grains per load that gives me 1312 loads per can for a cost of $0.011.  Where else can you have as much fun (reloading PLUS shooting) for a penny a shot!!
I bought my powder at Sportsman's Warehouse in Loveland Colorado which is about 20 minutes from where I live (Greeley).
I really appreciate you putting me onto the Trail Boss.
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umm to be fair you forgot the $.02 to $.03 per primer lolz but good luck amigo ( and read my sig line and then ...repeat !! ermmm you're welcome )



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i've been shopping around for a 5lb keg of trailboss since i load so much of it, a 5 lb keg must be the same size as a normal 8 lb keg! this would get the price @ 9.75 per 9oz jug that = cheap shooting! :cool::thumbs:



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What all do you load with Trail Boss?  Do you happen to have a recipe for .38 spec 100 grain lead bullet using Trail Boss?



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