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heavy 44 special loads
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 Posted: Sun Mar 11th, 2012 04:10 PM
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 I know the answer to heavy 44 special loads is the 44 mag but, my favorite berry patch tag along is a FA 97 in 44sp.

 I was wondering if anyone had experimented with the Speer 270g fp in the special?

 My wife took her moose with that bullet in a mag. and I have a lot of them on hand

 from working up her mag loads. Was wondering what powders you found best

with heavier bullets in the special? Thanks



 Posted: Mon Mar 12th, 2012 01:52 AM
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I'm afraid I don't have an answer for you as I tend to go in the opposite direction. I'm still searching for the perfect "light" load in .44sp.

Of course I'm shooting a Charter Arms Bulldog 3", not a Freedom Arms 97! Nice gun.



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 Posted: Mon Mar 12th, 2012 05:49 PM
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TG. I don't think there is enough case capacity in the .44 Spl. to use a bullet quite that heavy. I've never bothered to go past Skeeter Skelton's load of 255 gr. Lyman #429241 bullet and 7.5 gr. of Unique in my S&W 624. Your FA97 should be a somewhat stronger gun and maybe a powder like #2400 or maybe W296/H110, you might get enough in the case to possibly reach 1,000 FPS but I have my doubts.
I have done some work with the RCBS #44-300-FN bullet in the .44 Mag. using W296 but wasn't too thrilled with the results.
I hesitate to even venture a guess on where to start in the Spl. Maybe it would be better to reserve thos bullets for the .44 mag. and leave the 250/255 gr. bullets for the .44 Spl. :confused:
If I were to try it, I would stay away from W296/H110. Just a gut feeling that they're a bit too slow for the Spl. case. I think #2400 would be more suitable but how much to start? There you've got me. This is just a guess, but maybe 8.0 gr. of #2400 might be a good place to start and then very carefully work up to what might be max for your gun. I'm basing this on an article from a Handloader magazine where I guy loaded 250 gr. bullets in the .45 ACP and found that #2400 was the powder that worked. I just don't have the time to look though somthing like 200 magazines in a pile for that article. :sad:
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This is an interesting puzzle, and as you say, the answer to heavy .44 loads is the .44 Magnum. I understand your interest in solving the puzzle, similar to the one Elmer Keith worked so hard on. I've never been too much tempted to work up hot loads for my Special. The reason being that I have a 629 Mt Gun in .44 Mag that is lighter than my 6.5" 624! So for me it's kind of a case of "why bother."



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Thanks Paul, I might just try working with that 2400
a little bit. I would imagine case capacity on the special would be fairly close to the ACP. If it wern't for the fact that this little shooter and I get along so well
together(express sights really do make a difference for these old eyes) and having seen how well these bullets
grouped and worked on that moose, I would probably just
look for a 44mag. again. I sold the 629 that I took my moose with all those years ago. Thanks to all!



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I JUST ASKED THE SAME BASIC QUESTION ON "powder and primer forum" QUESTIONING IF ANYONE SHOOTS H-110 IN .44SPL. SEEMS IT LIKES TO operate AT A HIGHER PRESSURE THAN WHAT IS AVAILABLE FROM THE SPECIAL. AM SHOOTING SPECIAL IN MY BRAND NEW 1961 3 SCREW SUPER BLACKHAWK SER# 41XX .ALSO GOT A NIB 1962 44CARBINE(no,not the deer slayer).BUT THAT IS LOADED WITH H110.



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Island Bear,
I found some load data for a 250g cast but that is the heaviest I've found. You didn't say what weights you were working with. This guy was using from 16 to 19g of LilGun
with his 250's. I've heard bad things about LG and throat
erosion but also heard that they got it "cooled down"
somewhat. He was also using from 17 to 20g of 110 with
that bullet.



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I've been staying pretty much with commercial 240 gr LSWC in my 44Spls, but a good friend gave me some 255gr Kieth type beautifully cast, lubed and match weighed bullets that I'm looking forward to working with.

Having said that, I'm having trouble seeing even the 240gr struggling too much plowing through an awful lot of muscle.



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Wasnt Elmer Kieth load for 250gr cast boolit 17.5 18.5 of 2400 in 44spl case



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