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Kory brought up this caliber in an earlier thread that has since gone away. And I want your opinion on this, Kory. First off the .460 S&W is an awesome handgun. but how sad it is we must let practicality enter into the picture. I've been shooting big bore handguns all of my life, (since 1972). How many guys can reliabily hit with a handgun out to 200 yards and beyond?? That is asking for a lot! Scope, or no scope, I don't care. Most people I see can't reliabily hit a paper plate offhand at 100 yards with a scoped high powered rifle, let alone a handgun. We are taking custom long range handguns that are meant for experts, and putting them into the hands of anyone with $1,200.00 and a lot of "Yeah, I Gotta Have It!". I think I'm seeing a lot of deer here wandering off shot in the ass and feet, and just about everywhere else except the boiler room. I sure hope I'm wrong. Nothing wrong with these guns mind you, I love 'em to death. It's just the buyers need to get out and practice with them. Most won't because they don't handload and are offended by the high ammunition costs. They want a pistol that can kill 10 miles away. Good barroom talk ya know. Bill T.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15th, 2006 02:25 PM |
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Morning Bill >> I gotta get to work real quick, but some thoughts. I gotta be honest with ya, I've never looked at any of my revolver or big game worthy semi-auto cartridges as longer range firearms. They certainly have the capability. Even so, I've don't think that way. And I load them as such ... heavy for caliber, cast bullets (i.e. miserable BC's), moderate velocities. 100 yds. is on the outside realm of what I require of my scoped revolvers, with 50 yds. and in being more along the lines of what I'd consider ideal.
As such, the premise behind the .460 S&W Mag being develped for extended range use is lost on me. A 200 gr. SST (with a reasonable BC, for a revolver bullet) at 2200+ fps sounds all fine and dandy, but it just don't jive with my use for revolvers. At the end of the day, if I were to ever buy a .460, which I won't cause I've got no intentions of replacing the .454 Casull, but if I were, I'd still buck the extended range factory purpose for the gun and load it up with a 395 gr. cast at 1500 fps (incidently, only 100 fps or so faster then what my Casull's getting that bullet now). Another reason why a switch to the .460 won't happen ;o) .
I agree. I do not believe most could be able to accurately handle a full-tilt load in the .460 and hit kill-zones, off hand, at 200 yds. Shooting sticks may increase probability, but marginally, at best. I'd take it a bit farther and say that MAX pressure loads in things down to the size of the .44 RemMag would be tricky for the unseasons shooter to accurately use. So, yes, the thoughts of the .460 and .500 being out there readily availabe for any tom, dick or harry with cash to spend is a bit unsettling. I do believe that anyone, who takes it upon themselves to do so, can learn to accurately manage a heavy recoiling handgun, but agree with the thinking that lots out there get themselves into a large handgun cartridge to imperss friends, without the commitment needed to become proficient with the round. Ya see it in rifle purchases as well. Someone getting a .300 RUM when, after one range session, it's clear to all around that they would have been far better served with a .30-06 purchase.
I think the main problem is folks can't be honest with themselves and ask the simply question ... can I realistically handle all that comes with this cartridge purchase. If we ever got to a point where folks could answer this question honestly, there'd be no more inappropriate .460 S&W or .300 RUM purchases. I don't think we'll ever get there cause to many have the "I gotta impress the group" mentality. Off tp work. Chat with ya later. >> klallen
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15th, 2006 02:48 PM |
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I'm in the same boat as you on the .460. Won't buy because I've already got a .454. If I didn't, then well possibly. It is a hell of a cartridge. I read they highly polish the forcing cone to cut down on erosion. I wonder why that didn't work on the .357 Maximum? It more or less died because of that problem. Bill T.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16th, 2006 01:41 PM |
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Yeah, as nice as the .460 might be, I'll always be a big fan of the .454 . As you well know, it isn't a bad one either ;o) .
Speaking of the .357 Maximum, I've been watching one of the '82 Blackhawks for a while now. I never really was much interested in going smaller then my .375 SM in revolver cartridges but for this one, I'd consider it. With a larger iron in the fire right now (i.e. the .500 S&W Mag), I'm gonna just sit on it for a bit and see what happens price-wise.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16th, 2006 02:08 PM |
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I'm not a big pistol guy, But I love the balistics of the 454, and the .460. They both seem to be , at least to me a good carbine round. Should be on par with the 444. If I could shoot a pistol I'd go with the .454. BOth a are very impressive rounds. As far as the .357 maximum, great concept, but wouldn't it make the frame REALLY long??? I've never see one so I'm just going out on a limb here. I think you get beter balistics out of the 357 Bain and Davis (44 mag necked down) looks darn near like a 44/40. Wish that they made them all in a Marlin 336.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16th, 2006 02:36 PM |
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Another thing coming down the road that will be intresting is when Hornady releases these Spitzer bullets for handloading in .45 caliber. That will close the gap between the .460 and the .454 even further. Bill T.
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I do not like the 460 at All!!!
I have read and S&W agrees that 1200 rounds and the barrel is shot out.
I will stick with my 500. Does not share the same illness as the 460.
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