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bea175 wrote: John Browning designed the Browning HP but died before it came on the market if i'm not mistaken. According to History he designed the HP to correct the flaws in the 1911. OK thanks for mentioning that Bea175.
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But did John Moses Browning actually complete the design of the High Power ? Or was it another ?
He did most of it. The design was tweaked for production by Dieudonne Saive. ( I remembered the last name, had to look up the first name!)
Well then it was German enginneers who originally made the 9mm, but I'm not sure on the high power model
DWM engineers in 1902 came up with the 9x19. It was a larger bore "wildcat" based on the 7.65 Luger. BTW, the Luger pistol in 9x19 was part of the USA trials where the M1911 was picked. It is hearesy to the "God passed the 1911 design to JMB" crowd, but the board was so impressed by some of the Luger features that they specified they wanted them in the new service pistol. these were the grip safety and the magazine release button.
Browning's original 9mm cartridges were the 9mm Browning Short, AKA the .380 ACP, and the 9mm Browning Long, which is somewhat less powerful than the .38 ACP (NOT .38 Super)
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Might want to double check the history.
Browning did do sketches of what was to become the High Power, but the design was completed after his death.
By the way, the only conceivable flaw in the 1911 was imposed by the US military, namely the grip safety. Browning did not put one on the 1905.
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The HP was designed to eliminate the barrel bushing and the lock up was redesigned and the grip safety was left off and the feed ramp was designed for better feeding. Plus the High Cap Mag 
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Didn't know there was a problem with the barrel bushing. Currently have a few dozen 1911s with bushings. They get shot a lot and have never had a problem with the bushing.
Didn't know there are was problem with magazine capacity. Have seen lots of 9mm folks spray and pray and run dry. Haven't had that problem with my 1911s.
Down at Cooper's Gunsite we used to run comparisons in the donga and fun houses between the 1911s and the high capacity guns. Was surprising how many of the high capacity guns would go dry in a six-shot exercise.
Do concede the grip safety, but that problem was imposed by military thinkers, not Browning.
The 1911 and the Colt SAA were both divinely inspired. What God hath wrought, let no man put ....
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Bea175,
See where you're from Kingsport, TN. There are some good people around there. Used to be some cockfights there, but bet ya'll are getting civilized now. Might have to go to Wytheville or Bluefield for cockfights these days. Heck, ya'll might have a Starbucks.
The writer Jim Carmicheal used to hang around your parts. If memory serves me, he favored a 220 Swift for groundhogs.
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Kingsport, TN is a nice place never actually been there but got some friends and family that live there and they can't stop talking about it.
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Initially, the "High Power" pistol was designed by John M. Browning in 1925 and was patented in the USA in 1927, soon after the death of the Browning. The design was aquired by Belgian state-owned company FN Herstal, and improved by FN designer Dieudonne Saive. The resulting pistol was shelved until 1935, when Belgian army was ready to adopt new sidearm. The HP was offered for trials and won, and was adopted as a Model 1935 pistol. Soon after that it was also adopted by Belgian police and by many foreign countries, including Britich Commonwealth ones (UK, Canada, Australia etc.). The High Power is the only sidearm that served for both sides in WW2 - Germany used many HPs manufactured in occupied Belgium, while Allies used HPs manufactured mostly in Canada by company Inglis. The HP continues its service well into XXI century with belgian Army and Police, British army and many other military and Law Enforcement agencies, being second longest living service pistols after the another famous Brownings' design, the Colt 1911.
Thechnically, the High Power pistol, also known as Browning HP 35, GP 35 or Model 1935, is a recoil operated, locked breech pistol. It uses linkless barrel to slide locking (see picture above), invented by Browning. The trigger is single action, with external hammer. Original HPs featured frame mounted safety at the left side of the frame, that locks both sear and slide. Modern versions, since Mark II, also featured ambidextrous safety levers, that are also more comfortable to operate. Original HPs were available with two sight wersions - with standart fixed sights, and with rear tangent sights ajustable for distance from 50 to 500 meters. Some pre- and WW2-time guns also featured backstraps with cuts to accomodate removable shoulder stocks/holsters. Grip panels were made from wood, and pistols were availabli with or without lanyard rings. The HP was the first military pistol to have high capacity, staggered column magazine for 13 rounds plus one loaded in the chamber.
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Hammer wrote: Bea175,
See where you're from Kingsport, TN. There are some good people around there. Used to be some cockfights there, but bet ya'll are getting civilized now. Might have to go to Wytheville or Bluefield for cockfights these days. Heck, ya'll might have a Starbucks.
The writer Jim Carmicheal used to hang around your parts. If memory serves me, he favored a 220 Swift for groundhogs.
Hammer They still fight their roosters on the VA side and Jim C lives in Johnson City about 20 miles from Kingsport. I see him at most of the gun shows . He always has a table setup, selling off his junk some company has donated to him.
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Wow how many gun show's do you go to.
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4 or 5 a year depending on the weekend they are scheduled
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Wow I Barely get to go to any because there never in my neck of the woods.
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