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small pistol primers in 45 acp?
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 Posted: Mon Jul 30th, 2012 09:16 PM
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So i have picked up quite a few 45 acp cases at my local range most of it just regular federal 45 acp. i also went and bought about 100 Rds of federal 45 acp and shot them then took em home to reload. when i got em home and compared the ones i bought. They have a smaller primer pocket and what looks like small pistol primer in them. but the other brass form the range also made by federal has large pistol primers in them?

so can you load 45 acp with small pistol primer? my lyman book shows all their loads with large pistol primers so whats with the difference in the cases? and wouldnt small pistol primers fall out of the larger pocket?



 Posted: Mon Jul 30th, 2012 09:33 PM
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They will indeed. Just pay close attention to the sizes and put in smalls where needed.



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 Posted: Mon Jul 30th, 2012 09:34 PM
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Is that normal though to have two diferent sized primers in the same caliber? and why would the factory change it like that?



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It is not typical to see different sized primers in a given caliber.  From what I have read the small primed 45 acp cases came about when the companies started to use the lead free priming compound. They found the new mixture had a higher brisance and that a large primer cup full would back the primer out of the case enough to cause issues so they went with the small cup to decrease the amount.

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Yeah, smaller pockets are showing up a lot around here at the indoor ranges. They're for the "environmentally friendly" and lead safe rounds. I've just got them in a 5 gallon bucket until I figure out what else to do with them. Haven't tried the small pistol primers in them yet. Thanks -6, might try a few this afternoon to see how they work.



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Normal thing.
At least, With Federal brass anyways.
All the Federal brass I have are small primers. All my other brass like PMC, Remington, Winchester are all large primers.

Separate the small pistol brass from the large one.
Saves you a headache on this unless you only reload small pistol primers.

And yes, Small pistol would probably fall out the large pocket. How ever, That is where you can use the small pistol primer :p Works fine and even tho your books call for large primers, You can still use the small primers in the small primer brass and it will still work.

Tried many of times. Nothing weird.



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WoW ! I bought my 1st  1911 a few days ago and have been picking up brass as I can find it. Bought a box of Federal, shot it and when I started to reload, got the same shock to my system. The Federal was small and everthing else was large.

As other have suggested, I will sort them out by size, but most likely will try to settle on purchasing one style so this doesn't become a huge hassle.

Seems like the mfg would keep in line with each other and find a way to address the side issues without complicating the brass primer pocket size difference.

Federal makes fine brass, but will most likely try to avoid it.

 

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I've gotten some 45acp brass with a W-W headstamp....military stuff...that has a small primer pocket....real PITA.



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Let's keep this simple. Just keep them separate and load them with small pistol primer using the same loads you've always used. The impoertant is KEEP THEM SEPERATE. Might cause you to need to change your shorts the first time you try to seat a large pistol primer in a small primer pocket.:wink::rolleyes::lol::lol::lol:
Seriously though, when those things first came out, I found some marked NT on WW brass. I E-mailed Winchester and that said while it would be safe to reloaded them using small pistol primers, they did not recommend doing it as you my accidently get one mixed up with your large primer primer pocket brass with a resulting very loud noise cause potential injury. I just used nail polish to color the base of the shell making it easy to tell which was which and have not had a problem. :thumbs: All I will say is go with what you ae comfortable with. :wink:
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"WoW ! I bought my 1st 1911 a few days ago and have been picking up brass as I can find it. Bought a box of Federal, shot it and when I started to reload, got the same shock to my system. The Federal was small and everthing else was large."

I just got my first 1911 as well thats how this started i got a new citadel 1911 and picked up some cheap 45 acp federal from walmart to try it out. Is that where you got your federal with the small pockets too? and what 1911 model did you get? just curious.



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7.62x39 was like that with the large and small primer pockets, the "green" bullets use the smalls on the 45, nadda clue about the 7.62x39 having them.



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7.62x39 Remington uses small rifle primers and Winchester uses Large rifle primers, Why, you will have to ask them. But that has been pretty common for a long time now.

Jim

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The other one I have seen with the small primer is CCI Blazer. I just throw them in a different bucket and one day will have enough to make worth my time to reload them.



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I decapped and sized over 1000 pieces of 45 brass the other day and sorted them as I went. I only came up with about 20 pieces with small primers. They were a mixture of Federal and Blazer. I just threw them into a pickle jar with a bunch of small quanities of other brass that I don't reload. I'm just getting started reloading and thankfully I read about the 45 small primers before I started processing all the brass I have.



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Yhey are a real problem with a progressive press , if you do not sort them 100% . :-(

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I would load them without hesitation provided the powder type and powder charge were suitable for SP primers.



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It amazes me how freaked out people get when they see a small primer in a 45ACP round. Hand loading requires you to be careful from the get go. I have found no difference in performance between large and small primers. There may be, but I have not noticed any. Even though the load data I use calls for a large primer, it doesn't seem to matter that I sometimes use small primers. Both rounds go boom and the projectile goes down range.

Like others have said, just sort them by type. I don't have any experience with progressive presses, but my single stage press provides the tactile feedback I need to know instantly if a small primer case has found its way into a batch of large primer cases.



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i have found nt primers in 45acp,10mm,9mm,380,40 s&w



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I am new to reloading, and am starting with 45 acp. I am glad I found this forum!



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