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Suggested loads for 5.5 inch barreled Blackhawk in 45 Colt using 230 LRN over Winchester 231? Would you load on the high or low side, or does it vary that much from revolver to revolver?
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Is a few fps meaningful to you---I would rather use a mid load of Unique---
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Unique is one of my favorite handgun powders. I've always liked 8.5 Gr. of Unique under a 250 Gr. bullet in both of my Ruger .45's. Bill T.
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I would load 7 to 7.5 grs. Skeeter liked 7.1 grs. with a 250 gr. lead bullet. I've used 7 grs. with a 260 Keith. 231 is a very good powder for standard 45 Colt loads...Creeker Last edited on Wed Oct 18th, 2006 11:17 PM by LAH
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I know this is controversial but I have two friends who have blown up Colts with a 250 gr lead bullet and 5.5 grs of 231 (both are experienced reloaders and I do not suspect a double charge).
One was a Bisley and one was a New Service.
Jim H.
PS - I blew up a J-frame .38 with a very light load of Vithivouri 310 and that was a development load where I hand weighed every powder charge.
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Riposte1 wrote: I know this is controversial but I have two friends who have blown up Colts with a 250 gr lead bullet and 5.5 grs of 231 (both are experienced reloaders and I do not suspect a double charge).
I'm having a rough time with that one. The Fourth Edition of the Hornady Manual lists 7.9 gr. of 231 as a maximum charge with a 200 grain lead bullet. I realize the charge for a bullet that was heavier by 50 grains would be slightly less, but I can't see where 5.5 gr. of 231 would "blow up" a revolver with that weight bullet. There had to be some other factor involved. Bill T.
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It is known as "detonation". Several noteable experts declare that it is not possible but several people I know and trust, most noteable among them Jeff Cooper, documented dozens of cases of 2.7 grains of Bullseye with a .38 Wadcutter blowing up K-38s and even a few Colt Pythons.
Even if they were double charges I don't think 5.4 of Bullseye would actually destroy a K-frame and certainly not a Python...to be sure it would be really HOT.
It has only been noted with very fast powder in very small charges. Several people noted it in Rifles also but I have not run into anyone who actually had that happen in a rifle.
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You know of course "detonation" is only a theroy, never proven. Like you I've heard of it most my adult life. The powder companys have tried to make it happen but it's not been accomplished or at least not been made public. And if they could do it I'm sure some slick lawyer could find someone who could also.
Not trying to start anything here, just adding to the pot. BTW 5.4 grs. of Bullseye is a bunch. Anyone read of pressure test with this? I have but can't recall off the top of my head.........Creeker
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Riposte1 wrote: It is known as "detonation". It has only been noted with very fast powder in very small charges. Several people noted it in Rifles also but I have not run into anyone who actually had that happen in a rifle.
Actually it's the opposite. "Detonation" occurs when reduced charges of very slow powder are used. Check most any manual and look at some of the larger magnums. Most will have a foot note advising not to reduce loads to under the minimum charge weights so noted when dealing with very slow powders like Reloader 25 and the like. Reduced charges of Bullseye are used all the time in low velocity target loads. Bill T.
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Bill;
That is true enough but those particular powders weren't available when detonation was being discussed in the 60's. It is not an either or thing, it is a both thing 
Regards.
Riposte
PS - there was an indepth study on this by the NRA technical staff that reported that they could not make it happen. By coincidence we have been discussing this on another list and came up with 6 guns we personally know of that were blown up with light charges of fast pistol powder and all the reloaders had extensive experience.
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LAH wrote: You know of course "detonation" is only a theroy, never proven. Like you I've heard of it most my adult life. The powder companys have tried to make it happen but it's not been accomplished or at least not been made public. And if they could do it I'm sure some slick lawyer could find someone who could also.
Not trying to start anything here, just adding to the pot. BTW 5.4 grs. of Bullseye is a bunch. Anyone read of pressure test with this? I have but can't recall off the top of my head.........Creeker
did a quick search. According the HP white, loaded normally 5.4 gives 32,000 PSI with a wadcutter. Since some Pythons were amongst the pistols blown up with 2.7 of Bullseye and a wadcutter I seriously doubt a mere double charge would have blown up a .357 which should have taken "Blue Pills" at around 50,000 psi.
A double charge + seating the wadcutter much deeper than normal can result in 50K though.
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Thanks Riposte............Creeker
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For mild loads, use the new Trail Boss powders. For full service use either H110 or 2400 in the 45 colt or 44 mag.
Why do folks insist on using inappropriate powders that get them into trouble. These same folks agonize over 25 fps when choosing powders for thier rifles, then stuff anything they have in thier handguns. Big handgun cartridges use different powders than 38's 40's, 45's etc.
Detontation has never been proven by any mfg in test or anyone else that I know of. What has been proven is that fast burning pwder in big capacity cases usually yield uneven ignition contributing to poor accuracy
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