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I don't do as much loading for the 9mm as I used to. There's so much cheap ammo out there that it seems like a waste of time. Especially if you like rapid fire. All that time puting the stuff together and then bang, bang, bang, it's gone. 
I still roll some up once in a while with good bullets. My favorite is the Remington 124gr Golden Sabre bullet. Over a case of 5.1gs of W231 I've had good accuracy. AA7 has been another go to powder, but leaves a lot of residue in my carbine as compared to the W231.
Back when I was puting a lot of 9mm together I'd often use 125gr hardcast bullets. With either W231, HP38 or Bullseye I'd have an accurate practice load for my Beretta. (I still have a box of 500 bullets waiting to be used someday.)
One time I put together some rounds using mixed headstamp brass to see what would happen. Finn Aagard had written he didn't bother separating 9mm brass so I got curious. The accuracy was good and over the chrono the deviation was also good. That was a one time experiment, as I do like to keep brass sorted by manufacturer.
If Wallmart didn't have the Winchester white box of 100 round fmj at a cheap price I'd still be cranking out round after round after round.  That Beretta and the HK are just to hungry and can eat it up fast.
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I use to laod quite a bit of it. I don't now. It's just too much of a pain with the little bitty case. I enjoy 45, .357, and 44 mag more. I have a light load for my 686 , .357 that is really accurate.
I did a bunch of samples with only one lot and one manufatcurer of brass for several differnt handguns. Then, I randomly loaded up a mixture. I saw no significant differnce in accuracy . I supose if you are shooting for the Binachi Cup, a 1/2 inch might make a differnce, but I am mostly shooting 6" falling paltes, and gongs, with a few tombstone targets thrown in.
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I load for the 9. Not plinking ammunition but the only SD loads I have any trust in are my own. One of my kids carries a 9 as his everyday carry, Wife, other kid and I all sometimes carry a 9 as a backup gun. I load both 124 grain and 147 grain bullets in the +P+ pressure range. Right now I'm working on a 147 grain Gold Dot load that is turning out over 500 ft lb from a 3 1/2" barrel. Always looking for something better.  Used to load some 115 grainers, but have decided that a bullet that light doesn't make the best SD load - no matter what CorBon wants you to believe.
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I load the 115gr Hornady XTP HP with Unique. Very accurate load in the 9mm.
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Guilty.
Never had that 'one' load that stomps all others.
I had a good load with unique and lead 124s, but lead got to be a pain to work with, case bulges and all.
I had a good practice load with rainier 124 JHP loaded hot with HS-6, but I found that I can load jacketed for the same price as plated. Using those for 357SIG now, as plated resists setback better once tweaked in.
Was going to try WSF and 147 JHP winchester but I beleive I'm gonna standardize on power pistol.
I bet that XTP-HP 124 and blue dot (Stephen A. Camp seems to use that load to review sometimes.) make a very nice target/hunting load in a 5" gun, but that's some pricey 9mm ammo. Wouldn't try it in a 3 1/2" gun, though.
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oops, 6 grains unique, 124 XTP-HP.
I said blue dot and meant unique.
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i just started loading 9. bulk pack bullets and bullseye for me
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I have been reloading 9mm for a while, and the best ones in my CZ Po1 and PCR are the 115 gr remington bulk JHP over either 52gr of Accurate Arms #2, or 6.5 gr of Accurate Arms #5. I tried some 124 Hornady 124 XTP loads, using a manual I had from some time ago, and the 5.1 gr of Accurate Arms #2 at 1.050 OAL was fantastic - until I realized I had gone over the new max load, as AA had changed formularies since my old Hornady book had been printed. Oops, my bad.
That generic 6.5 gr AA#5 gets a little over 1050 FPS, too, so it's not much of a barn burner, but fun to shoot! I'd know more, but i managed to shoot my Chrony the first time out....
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Finally found a good 9mm load.
I suspect that many powders would do, I happen to be using HS-6.
The thing that made the biggest difference was component selection.
Winchester 147 JHP bullets, seated to about 1.15 OAL.
Win headstamp brass, sorted to be .947-.949 (Longer brass seems hard to find.). Basically, I sorted out anything .946 and shorter.
Redding competition seater die.
EGW undersize die.
And a dillon new style crimp die in station 4 of my 550.
I'm gonna switch to unique or power pistol very soon and do a comparo, as I only have about 1/2 pound of HS-6 left.
Shot off a sandbag at a 15 yard target and got a 1 1/2" group about 2" high and 2" to the right. Suspect they would have been one holers from a ransom rest. (Or maybe if I had plugs and muffs, and/or the guy to my left would stop hitting me with spent .45 cases.)
Shooting my sigPro 2340 w/ bar-sto barrel.
If I get any sleep at all tonight I'll post an update to see if I can do better, but I have another dillon 550 waiting for me at the post office, so I may be busy in the morning.
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Gents
I do load for my brothers 9mm, 124gr cast in front of a load of MP200, very similar to Unique.
If never tried to load the 147 gr, and have always been curious as to if ther is enough space in that little case to push the bullet as fast as i want it to go??
I dont own a 9, never grew to love it as i do the bigger cals. ts just my preference.
Saddlesore, i hear you regarding the size of the cases and being unfiendly to load....you should try 32ACP sometime!!!
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I load for the 9x19. Currently using Winchester Super Field, mostly because I have 8 pounds of it and and can't use it for much else that I load, except .38 Special. I load West Coast Bullet's 115 grain RN plated bullet. Shoots well in all my 9x19 handguns.
I've never had much use for the 147 grain bullets in the 9x19. To me, the advantage the 9x19 has over older revolver cartridges is the velocity. Jump to 147 grain bullets, and you have a rimless, shorter .38 Special.
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The reason I load 147 grain bullets is accuracy.
While I consider the 124 and 115 grain bullets acceptable for self defense accuracy, I just couldn't wring out the under 3" groups at 25 yards I wanted out of 9mm.
Longer bearing surface, the bullet goes 1050 or 1100 FPS, so it doesn't have to contend with the sound barrier like most 124s and 115s do, and it has enough oomph behind it to get through a tough hide, it sheds energy slower, making 50 yard 9mm targets dance, as well as the 25 yard targets.
And they seem to be a little more fun to shoot, kinda like the 10mm is more fun for me to shoot than .40 S&W.
For shoot 'em up ammo, the plated 124 grain bullets loaded with bullseye work just fine.
As for a rimless, shorter .38 special, yeah, you're mostly right, except that I load 'em over 35000 PSI, and can fit lots of them in the magazine.
I can't stand .38 special, but I like 9mm.
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I loaded some 147 grain flatpoint hard cast in front of AA#7, the heavy bullet would really put steel plates down better, especially that occasional "hard set." Very accurate load the three 9mms I shot them in. My experiene on the brass, I would sort foreign made brass out, it was the only brass that was very different.
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The only foriegn brass I like is PMP, the South African stuff is quite good. S&B gets 'canned, due to overly tight primer pockets.
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armoredman wrote: I have been reloading 9mm for a while, and the best ones in my CZ Po1 and PCR are the 115 gr remington bulk JHP over either 52gr of Accurate Arms #2, or 6.5 gr of Accurate Arms #5. I tried some 124 Hornady 124 XTP loads, using a manual I had from some time ago, and the 5.1 gr of Accurate Arms #2 at 1.050 OAL was fantastic - until I realized I had gone over the new max load, as AA had changed formularies since my old Hornady book had been printed. Oops, my bad.
Burning rate is probably similar, my experience with the AA #5 led me to believe there were at least three vendors made this stuff for them, and all three made the powder a little differently. There was a flattened ball, or small flake, and two different balls, one burned considerably cleaner than the other. That explains a lot of the different experiences many people have with it. It definitely meters differently, and has to be weighed to get your powder measure dropping the right charge. I haven't burned enough #2 to say more than the new vendor might have been the case with it.
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I haven't loaded for it in years (as someone mentioned factory ammo is pretty reasonably priced).
My first bout was in the 1960s and at the time I tried 90 gr JHPs with Unique to about 1450 fps. Great on small vermin but it was not much for penetration on bigger stuff. At the same time I took a hint from an old Lyman manual and loaded 158gr SWCs (swaged to .355) to about 1050 fps - great for penetration but not much on wound channel.
Finally I used *the* maximum effort load everyone was trying back then - Herco with a Speer 124 JSP. A few years later I when I got access to a chronograph and still had some, I found that my Browning pushed these things at 1350 fps! That was 100 fps faster than listed (and a clue that individual guns, bullets, cases and lots of powder mage a BIG difference - a chronograph is a must if you are going to push the envelope). BTW, these loads were quite ineffective on woodchucks and foxes until we came upon the trick of drilling a small hole in the nose - then they expanded and worked well.
Fast forward 15-20 years and I started to look into the 9mm again. This time the 147 JHPs were making the scene and Blue dot had come out. We got the 147 up to around 1200 fps in a 9" MP-5 and it was around 1100 in the Browing or CZ pistols we were using. It worked OK on vermin and was pretty darn accurate but I never did warm up to it.
The one bullet I would be very interested in for the 9mm is missing from bullet makers catalogs (available to the public that is) - that would be a bonded core 135gr JHP. Triton, when they were in business, had custom bullets made by Hornady and Federal has a 135 H-S (but their load is not hot).
I have converted one of my Brownings to .356 TSW and shoot either Cor-bon 124gr (1500 fps) - sadly out of print but I purchased a lot of it - and Federal 135 H-S (1270 fps). The latter is truly impressive for a medium bore handgun cartridge though it certainly does not make it a 10mm or a .45 by any means.
As an adjunct, a good friend developed a load using Remingtons 88gr .380 bullet and got it to 1750 fps in his Browning. Another friend, who was instrumental in developing the 9mm program for the Air Force at the time, was really interested but when they sent rounds to H.P. White the verdict was - way too much pressure! Indeed, there aint no such thing as a free lunch
I only have one officer on the force that still carries a 9mm. I issue him Win. +P+ 127 gr. This load gets an honest 1250 fps (it actually gets 1301 in my Browning but that gun always has shown higher velocities than normal). We never have had this load used in a shooting (most of our officers carry .45s but some carry .40s) but I did have to shoot a deer several times with this load to put it out of its misery. It worked well on the one coyote I shot with it.
Today good bullets abound. They really do expand and some of them will hold together. Probably the most interesting one out there is the Barnes X bullet for handguns. It might change the way we look at handgun bullets the way it changed the way we look at rifle bullets.
Good luck!
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ghostrider wrote: armoredman wrote: I have been reloading 9mm for a while, and the best ones in my CZ Po1 and PCR are the 115 gr remington bulk JHP over either 52gr of Accurate Arms #2, or 6.5 gr of Accurate Arms #5. I tried some 124 Hornady 124 XTP loads, using a manual I had from some time ago, and the 5.1 gr of Accurate Arms #2 at 1.050 OAL was fantastic - until I realized I had gone over the new max load, as AA had changed formularies since my old Hornady book had been printed. Oops, my bad.
Burning rate is probably similar, my experience with the AA #5 led me to believe there were at least three vendors made this stuff for them, and all three made the powder a little differently. There was a flattened ball, or small flake, and two different balls, one burned considerably cleaner than the other. That explains a lot of the different experiences many people have with it. It definitely meters differently, and has to be weighed to get your powder measure dropping the right charge. I haven't burned enough #2 to say more than the new vendor might have been the case with it.
Ghostrider, i know that somchem(our local producer of propellents) are currently supplying AA with powder. who else sre supplying them, i dont know.
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just a tiny bit off-topic, but bless you, I thought I was the only one with a chrony mounted on the wall good to know there are others who have bagged one
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Need data for 9mm. I have VV N340 here, what's your load using 124gr FMJ to make IPSC production division power factor?
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I did get another skyscreen wire from Chrony for my F1, it's all good, but now it sits unused. May just sell it someday.
Just recently I started casting 9mm, a 124gr Lee TL .356, which actually drops at .360, so it get's used for both 38 and 9mm. Works pertty good! Started experimenting with various loads, and I'll post more when I get overthis winter crud, and get back out to the range.
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