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Posted: 7 July 2008 12:49 PM

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does anybody have a published or non-published load for a 454casull(SRH)using a 200gr bullet barnes or otherwise , can't find it for 454

I have data for the s/w460

and then the next question would be is the difference the the s/w has the twist gain rifling allowing it to stabilize that light of a bullet

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Posted: 7 July 2008 03:46 PM

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the gain twist wasnt for the bullet weight,it was because of the velocity and/or pressure.ust the middle loads for your favorite powder and a 250 gr bullet as a starting load with the 200 gr.

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Posted: 8 July 2008 12:20 AM

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my pet load for the 454 is 36gn of h110 pushing a 240gn hornady xtp mag, i have not had a chance to chrono this yet, it should be pushing about 1800fps,(i'm hoping to knock down an elk this fall with this load)

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Posted: 8 July 2008 01:46 PM

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Worked alot with the .454 but have never gone any lighter then the 300 gr. XTP Mag in any of my load development. Currently have the 395 gr. Cast Performance LBT solid going in my latest loads. Just guessing but I'd imagine you'd be topping out in the 42, 43, 44 gr. range with H110 and that light a bullet. I don't know of any that are loading really light for the round. Had a gun mag around here somewhere that did development comparisons between the .454 and .460 back when it came out. Would imagine that 200 gr. would have been one of the bulles used since the .460 was designed to rev up the fps. Will see if I can trip across it.

I've never been able to fill a tag with this revolver for various reasons. It's been with me on several hunts but have always had to settle on the rifles because of shot distances. And then the rare occasions with something does come close, it's never with me. Just the luck. One of these trips something will venture into Casull range when I've got it with me.

Good luck with development.

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Posted: 9 July 2008 02:26 AM

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where do you buy these "395 gr. Cast Performance LBT solid" ? ,

I'm always game to try a new thumper round

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Posted: 9 July 2008 01:33 PM

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Midway's got them in stock :

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=169177

Or order direct from Cast Performance :

http://www.castperformance.com/StoreFront.bok

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Posted: 9 July 2008 06:41 PM

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Mrs woodsman gets a little excited :shameon:

when i mention things like ordering stuff from. . .

midway ,cabelas ,gun store ,fishing store ,ect . ect .ect

well here goes a little excitement :roflmao:

P.S. thanks for the links

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Posted: 14 July 2008 10:57 AM

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update after a day at the range ,sunny 70 deg .light wind at my back

(translation perfect shooting weather) shot a bunch of(454 casull) 240 gr and 300 gr

hornady xtp mags nice groups ,definitely tighter groups the higher the charge went ,

i was expecting the opposite, now comes the physics question,

why do the 300's feel more like a push and the 240's a very sharp snap,

the reason i ask this is because with bolt rifles and even my desert eagle the heavier
the bullet the harder the recoil is what i normally experience.

NOTE: being as I'm still pretty much still :redneck:

a caveman and all,

simple answers are always OK ,sometimes i miss the obvious

thanks for any and all input

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Posted: 14 July 2008 03:27 PM

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777, Maybe it has to do with more barrel time for the heavier bullets?? Could be there's a physics major out there who has some input. :confused:

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Posted: 16 July 2008 02:53 AM

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Just email your request to Barnes and they sill send you back a really nice PDF file that has all the data for your caliber.

http://www.barnesbullets.com/resources/contact-us/

I shoot a 300RUM with the Barnes the 168gr TSX. Barnes sent me all of the data, because the bullet is bigger than what I expected.

Great company to deal with

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Posted: 17 July 2008 05:28 PM

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Midwayusa has Magtech .452 all copper 225gr bullets @$82.99/100.I ran into a similar problem with Barnes 250gr .458 diameter bullets for my XLR 45-70 so I contacted Barnes for some info on 2 of the powders I have on hand then I called a tech at Hodgdon who told me to use the 300gr loading data and when I asked about pressure he said start with a beginning load and work up but I wouldn't get any excess pressure since it's a lighter weight bullet. I have 2 TC Encores a 15 inch chambered in 454 casull and a 20 inch bullberry rifle barrel chambered in 460mag which I load 240gr JHP Sierra & Hornaday bullets using w296 and h110.When CP was in Wyoming the staff told me they received a canister of powder with a W- 296 label but they noticed it was loose & under it was a H-110 label they surmised the 2 had to be alike.I loaded some 240gr bullets in 454 using 36gr of h110 ,they were very accurate but then someone on another forum said I was using too much 110 so I started loading downward and shot groups started stringing, I went back to the accurate load.

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Posted: 20 July 2008 07:42 AM

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Thanks for the info , I guess i'm off bullet shopping again "darn" i guess that means i'll need more powder, which means more brass and primers ect. ect. . . :cool:

FYI : w296 and h110 are the exact same powder made in the same factory ,just a different label

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Posted: 20 July 2008 01:43 PM

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Here's another link to some great shootin' projectiles. http://www.beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/index.htm

Go to the left side and scroll down to the .45LC / .454 Casull and look at some of the heavier projectiles. I use the 330gr for plinking and the 355gr for whackin' stuff that needs whackin'!! These are gas-checked, which means minimal leading(minimal cleaning necessary), and since they are lead(hardened but still lead) they expand wonderfully inside feral hogs and such!

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Posted: 20 July 2008 03:22 PM

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Thanks for the information on beartooth.I was planning on using heavy lead until our rino gov & fish & game commission decided to listen to the the unverified information from the anti hunting groups and banned all lead ammo in the condor plus zone where the majority of feral hogs are located.Now I have to use unproven all copper bullets.On 6/28/08 a non-lead ammo clinic was held at Laguna Seca Rifle Range in CA.A hunter brought his 223 cal rifle with jacketed lead ammo & convinced the sponsor to set the targets at 100 yards instead of 50.He fired his own reloaded ammo & covered his group with a quarter then he was given non-lead ammo with 2 bullet weights to fire for the first time.His best group using the non-lead ammo was 4 plus inches.The shooter said this ammo is expensive and pathetic in performance creating problems for ca hunters.To justify the use of non-lead ammo the sponsor brought up the effects to condors and humans exposed to lead.The scare tactics didn't work because the shooter was well prepared and countered with information from the Center For Disease Control that there are no known cases of lead exposure to humans from wild game shot with lead.He then asked what will happen in 2 years when the condor is still testing positive for lead will there be a repeal of the lead ban on hunters or will all hunting stopped in CA ?He didn't receive an answer to his question. A retired game biologist said calif doesn't know the source of the lead in the tissues of condors.Hunters are being blamed but there is lots of residual lead in the environment from years of the use of tetra ethyl lead used in gasoline for vehicles and aircraft.

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