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Posted: 18 August 2008 09:43 PM |
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Hi, I'm new to this forum and handloading, and was wondering if someone can help me with a reloading problem i've been having. with the reloads the shells fit in fine before firing, but after firing it takes some force to eject from my 686 revolver. they get stuck in the cylinder.
I have noticed the cases are bulged alittle near the bottom (primer side) and when i resize with the die it doesn't seem to go far enough, it then hits the shell holder so you can't smooth out this part.
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Lees press, carbite dies (3), 357 magnum brass (from factory), cci primers, blue dot powder and various kinds of bullets.
I love the process of reloading
Thanks for any help you can offer,
Nick from Alberta, Canada.
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Posted: 18 August 2008 11:32 PM |
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Hello,
A couple of things could be the culprit. When you clean the gun, do you run a brass brush through the cylinder ? If yes, then I would get a size larger brush say a .44 or .45 cal brush to make sure your scrubbing it real good. It might be a build up of lead and or carbon.
If you shoot alot of 38 Spl. through a 357 magnum you tend to get a build up of carbon rings that may be causing pressure on your cases and causing the back end to bulge.
If your shooting hot loads try reducing the load by a grain or 2. Blue dot can build up alot of pressure in a 357 Magnum. Or keep the same powder and try a different primer. CCI has been around forever but I notice that their primers flare a little hotter then most. Buy a single box of 100 primers with the same load your using and see if your pressure problem still exists. I would suggest Winchester primers or Federal.
For your resizing problem, make sure your die is bottomed out on the shell holder. If it does and your having the same problem you can grind down the shell holder on a bench grinder to allow the die to come down farther, just make sure you use it for your 357 loads and not any other. Shell holders are resonably priced so you can get by with experimenting with grinding down one and getting another if needed.
What is your load data? Amount of powder and bullet weight? Also, you may want to try a different company brass. Some companies make their brass thicker then others.
Hope this helps, if anyone has any other ideas fire away.
Slingshot / Jeff
Last edited on 18 August 2008 11:33 PM by Slingshot
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Charley
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Posted: 19 August 2008 02:55 AM |
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New revolver or used? I've seen a couple of revolvers over theyears that were fired with some very heavy loads, enough to slightly bulge the chambers. You'd never know anything was wrong until you tried to eject the fired cases, then the brass that expanded into the bulge really wouldn't want to come out.
I don't think this is that common a condition, but it can happen occasionaly. More likely dirty chambers, or warmish loads.
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njanzen
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Posted: 19 August 2008 02:58 AM |
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The revolver is brand new.
I will try cleaning with a bigger brush, see if that helps, however with factory ammo (both 38 special+ and 357 magnum (multiple brands) have never got stuck, only my reloads. I will try the shell holder idea.
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Posted: 19 August 2008 03:38 AM |
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| Well, I'm interested in this issue also. I notice my reloads were sticking in the same way. Although, mine arre not enough that I would consider it a problem yet. Just a minor annoyance. I kind of think mine is due to case lube left on the cases and then attracting dirt. I'm going to wipe better after loading this bunch.
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njanzen
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Posted: 19 August 2008 03:58 AM |
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I don't use case lube as i'm using carbide dies.
mine sometimes stick that i have to hit the ejector on the table, once they start comming they come out fairly easy.
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Posted: 20 August 2008 03:14 AM |
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Not to sound preachy, and no disrespect intended, but if you have a load that doesn't extract as easily as factory ammunition in the same caliber, most of the time you are loading too hot. I know, we have offered oddball suggestions of what might be a factor, but look at the obvious first. Every firearms is a law unto itself, what functions and extracts perfectly in one gun might be really pushing the envelope in another.
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Posted: 20 August 2008 03:39 AM |
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My thoughts pretty much dupe whats already been said.
- My very first thought is - your loads are too hot.
- Since you said that you used case lube - did you clean the lube off?
- What headstamp/manufacturer brass you using?
- Are your loads within the manuals specifications?
- Is your sizing die adjusted correctly?
- Does your ammo spin freely after chambering?
- What is your case material, brass, nickle ?
- Did you shoot 38's prior to the .357's?
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Posted: 20 August 2008 07:54 PM |
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My very first thought is - your loads are too hot.
I don't think they are too hot as i'm below the max, but i will be double checking this.
Since you said that you used case lube - did you clean the lube off?
I haven't used case lube, as i use carbite dies
What headstamp/manufacturer brass you using?
Different kinds, but i have used win and UMC
Are your loads within the manuals specifications?
I believe they are
Is your sizing die adjusted correctly?
i have it adjusted all of the way so the case goes all of the way into it.
Does your ammo spin freely after chambering?
I think so i will check this.
What is your case material, brass, nickle ?
Did you shoot 38's prior to the .357's?
Brass and yes i do shoot 357's however the factory 357's don't have this problem, so i don't think it is the gun and cleaning/etc.
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Posted: 20 August 2008 09:59 PM |
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My very first thought is - your loads are too hot.
I don't think they are too hot as i'm below the max, but i will be double checking this.
Give us your exact load data
Since you said that you used case lube - did you clean the lube off?
I haven't used case lube, as i use carbite dies
Don't know where I came up with that info, but some do lube everything
What headstamp/manufacturer brass you using?
Different kinds, but i have used win and UMC
Stay away and discard Amerc cases-always! I'm leary of S&B too
Are your loads within the manuals specifications?
I believe they are
Again, whats your data, bullet type and diameter, COL, COAL
Is your sizing die adjusted correctly?
i have it adjusted all of the way so the case goes all of the way into it.
When you set your die up, when you lower the handle (without a case inserted)
can you feel the ram "cam over" the shell holder? You should be able to feel it roll over it. You want it to just BARELY touch the shellholder. Too much pressure and you can ruin the die.
After a case has been resized for the first time you will THEN notice a slight bulge near the case head. that is normal. Thats a dead give away as to whether or not a case has been reloaded before or not. Thats an area tha cannot be reached by the sizing die. It can only go so far.
Does your ammo spin freely after chambering?
I think so i will check this.
It should.
What is your case material, brass, nickle ? Did you shoot 38's prior to the .357's?
Brass and yes i do shoot 357's however the factory 357's don't have this problem, so i don't think it is the gun and cleaning/etc.
Which steers us in the direction that either you are overlooking something and or whether or not you are following your manuals recipe to the "T" or not. Its a MUST that you follow and stay within the bounds- of a reloading manuals parameters. Actually you need two or three manuals to confide in. I suggest that you keep a running diary notating your loads. Document everything that you do. I guarantee you will look at it later on down the road, one time or another.
If you could supply us with pictures of your spent cases and your pistol, it would be helpful.
Detail details, we need more/accurate component measurments. I'm sure its a simple solution but not so via the keyboard. Details my friend.
Last edited on 20 August 2008 10:02 PM by Sprue
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