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been looking at dies for my 9mm & seen for the longest time the size was 9x19, & just recently been seeing 9x21 at both the retailers I deal with, Anyone know of any changes in this? will 9x21 work?. Thanks in advance
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| Posted: Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 02:11 AM |
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I don't know the specs for the 9X21 but it shouldn't be to hard to look up. I am fairly sure the 9X21 dies would work for the 9X19. I use the 9X19 dies for 38 special.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 22nd, 2008 03:31 AM |
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If I remember correctly the 9x21 originated to allow the same 9x19 platform in countries where military calibers cannot be owned by mere peons. Can't own a 9x19, but a 9x21 is ok...One of the reasons the .38 Super was always popular in Mexico, .45 ACP and 9x19 aren't legal.
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Rather than start a new thread, I thought to bump this one. I recently purchased my son an H&K USP in 9mm (9x19). We obtained some Lee dies and loaded up some test rounds. They would fire but they wouldn't cycle. Factory rounds fired/cycled fine. Then we noticed the dies were marked 9x21. I took them back to the gun shop and they contacted Lee. Lee said they are also for 9x19. I can believe that but it would seem to me the decapper/sizer die would require slightly different setup depending on 9x19 vs 9x21. Has anyone encountered these dies and successfully loaded 9x19?
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9x21 and 9x19 are the same dimensions, just length differs. Should be wel within the adjustment range of most dies.
FWIW, I just checked my old Lee 9x19 die set.The sizer is stamped 9mmL8, seater is 9mmB4, and the case mouth expander is 9mmH3. Quin sabes?
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Somehow, I think someone has stuff bass ackwards.  I think you could use 9x19 dies to load 9x21 ammo by simply adjusting the dies. I would think that one would have to trim some off the botter of the dies to be able to adjust then to load one round or the other.
These days, one can buy dies marked .38 Spl., .357 Mag., and .357 Max. one set of dies will load them all. (Hornady makes one as I have that set.) My dies for .44 Spl. wil also load .44 mag. by simply readjusting them. Years ago, before RCBS brought out spacers for the job, I made my own. I set the dies up for .44 Spl. or .38 Spl. and when I go to the magnum rounds, I just slip the spacer onto the die and load away. That made life a lot simpler for me. 
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I suspect you are right Paul.
On my 9mmP dies, and my .38/357 dies, there is no difference in the re-size die, and no "stop" anywhere at length except the shellholder hitting it.
The flare die requires adjustment from one case to the other due to case length, but it's a plug adjustment, not a die adjustment, as, again, the die itself does nothing but hold the flaring plug positioned.
Seating and crimping have to be adjusted due to differnt case length, die (due to crimp ring) and seating plug (for C.O.A.L/seating depth) adjustments. Either round should load fine in that die set.
'Course, WHOSE DIE SET is a major question, and the answer is easilly obtained direct from the die set mfr., whomever they are, but I am quite sure they will.
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OldStuffer wrote: I suspect you are right Paul.
On my 9mmP dies, and my .38/357 dies, there is no difference in the re-size die, and no "stop" anywhere at length except the shellholder hitting it.
The flare die requires adjustment from one case to the other due to case length, but it's a plug adjustment, not a die adjustment, as, again, the die itself does nothing but hold the flaring plug positioned.
Seating and crimping have to be adjusted due to differnt case length, die (due to crimp ring) and seating plug (for C.O.A.L/seating depth) adjustments. Either round should load fine in that die set.
'Course, WHOSE DIE SET is a major question, and the answer is easilly obtained direct from the die set mfr., whomever they are, but I am quite sure they will.
That's why I made up a set of adapter rings long before RCBS brought them out. No more fussing with readjusting the dies when going from .38 Spl. to .357 mag. or from .44 Spl. to .44 mag. Just emove the die from the press, slip the adapter ring in place, put the die back on the press and load away. FWIW, you don't have to use the adapters on the sizing die. Just on the neck expander die and seating die. No more messing with crimp and all that other stuff. I made mine from Delrin rings that we used at work. Now you can just buy a set of rings from RCBS for just a few bucks and it could be that new die sets may even come with the rings. My .38/357 dies and 4 die were bought way too many years ago and the only reason I now have a carbide die for each is I bought them seperately many years later. My .38 die set was purchased in late 1954 and the .44 set in 1959 when I got my first .44 mag.
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On the RCBS die box it shows it will work for the 9mm luger and 9x21 and 9x23
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Yep, I bought the RCBS dies specifically because they will handle the three sizes - I use it for my 9mm Largo (9X21) and .38 Super too (which only requires a different shell holder).
I do have a separate Lee die set I have adjusted for 9X19.
I like having turrets for each specific caliber - I also have separate turrets/die sets for .38 Special and .357 Magnum. Keeps things simple.
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Attached is drawing of 9x19 and 9x21. How do you import two pictures—had to make a single picture. Attachment: 9x19 and 9x21.jpg (Downloaded 44 times) Last edited on Sun Aug 8th, 2010 11:39 PM by noylj
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