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I carry a small 357 Magnum pistol, but load it with 38 Spl +P ammo. I have a couple of people who tell me that 327 Federal Magnum is much easier on the shooter than the same pistol with 38 Spl +P
I shoot a S&W 340 PD, that is 12 ounces, now there seems to be a small amount of light weight and air weights coming out in 327 Magnum. Any one have experience with both calibers?
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I carry the 32 H&R Mag which is very similar to the 327. My 32 shoots similar to a 38Spc +P. I imagine the 327 has to be very close to a 357. Hope this helps
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either one of them will be quite loud.i would opt for a 357 toned down just a bit to 327 energy levels.something like 38+p+
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TANSTAAFL. .327 has less bullet weight, less recoil, but more muzzle blast, and likely louder. .357 has more bullet weight, more recoil, and somewhat less muzzle blast.A .327 might be a choice for a new gun, but I wouldn't rush out and replace my .357 (or .38) with one.
No, I don't have a .327, but I'm more than passing familiar with the .32 H&R.
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My L Frame is my oldest 357 Mag, I got when the 586 came out. Great pistol. Then I got my carry pistol with is air weight (12 ounces) 357 Mag, but load it with 38 +P.
So I probably won't be going out and buying a 327 anytime soon.
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There are two schools of thought for a defensive handgun, one is to drive a relatively lightweight bullet designed to mushroom dramatically and drive it to high velocity. Best example of this would be the famous 357 loaded with the 125 gr HP at 1400-1500 fps.
The second school of thought is to drive a heavy, large caliber bullet to moderate velocity. Idea here is simple, bit holes let alot of air in and alot of blood out!!!
The first groups theory stands strong but the handguns are loud and not easily mastered unless shot alot.
The second groups theory also stands strong and tends to be easier to master and much less agressive muzzle blast.
I tend to lean toward the latter for defense and in the case of comparing the 327 to the 357, I would go for the 357. The 327 will never come close to matching the 357s peroformance levels. Now if your comparing the 327 to a 38 Speical and its +P loads, its a more even match. If it were me, I would get a 125 to 140 gr HP and load it to around 1100-1200 fps in the 357 Magnum. IT will be easy to shoot and serve you well for defense and out perform any 327 load you could buy or load.
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Buy yourself a surplus CZ 52 and see if you can find a hollowpoint in 7.62x25. Same ballistics in an autopistol. "course it is a BIG, CLUNKY autopistol.
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interesting suggestion, charley. never really thought of that particular cartridge comparison but it would seem a reasonable one.
i've been working with my tok and the 90 gr. hornady xtp developing a load. hornady claims 1700 fps with that bullet and h110. i have a ways to go to reach that but if claims are realistic, energy levels would exceed those published for the .327 .
i'm still interesting in the 32fedmag just for curiosity sake.
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Just remember that for a defensive weapon, shootability is much more important in many aspect then shear performance. Recoil is a big issue but just as important is muzzle blast.
Velocity is a dramatic factor in muzzle blast. The faster a round, the sharper the crack with be when fired, just a simple fact. That is why the boom of the 45 ACP is not nearly as hard on the hears as the crack of a full pressure 10mm load or full pressure 357.
The high velocity chamberings are extremely intense outside, shoot one inside a building and it will be like a flash granade going off. It will effect the shooter just as much as the criminal being targeted. Just something to keep in mind.
For hunting, no problem, for defense, extreme velocity can be a huge problem.
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interesting point, kirb. i've thought about this quite a bit with relation to in-home defense. and i always come back to the same question ... wouldn't the noise and/or muzzle blast of a gun be forced to the back-ground of consiousness when a "heat of the moment", in-home defense situation arose?
never experiencing such an occurance personally, all i can do is relate it to what i have experienced. i don't know how many times i've been told how crazy i am using rifles with brakes in the field hunting without hearing protection. the blast and noise must adversely effect accuracy. and of course, it doesn't. while damage my be done to the ear, i don't even hear the gun (with or without brake) when i've been on scope concentrating on the animal and considering the shot placement necessary to succeed.
i wonder if a similar thing happens in home defense? with the concentration level to a point where you think it would have to be as you're confronted with such a personal threat on home and occupant, would you even hear the gun going off as you engaged the threat?
impossible to simulate such a situation without it actually happening, i guess. assuming don't really get ya far, i know, but i've kinda settled on the thinking that the noise would have to fade to the background, just as it does hunting, as you tunnel your attention in to eliminating the personal threat. makes ya wonder.
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Indeed, you may not notice the noise and recoil of a high-velocity round in an adrenaline charged defensive situation, but your eyes will definitely take notice of the flash. They may decide to shut down for a while and that could be most inconvenient.
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I have only shot in a building one time with a handgun, that was down in Idaho when I was hunting with Shawn Carlock, he took me to the local police "fun house" during the middle of one day just to play around abit. We had two handguns, my 400 CB and my S&W 45 ACP M4526. Shawn had his Glock 10mm.
The loads I had in my 400 were shooting the 180 gr Hornady HAP at just under 1300 fps. The 45 ACP was shooting the 230 gr Golden Saber at 875 fps.
I was wearing a head set and the 400 still rang my ears in several of the rooms. Enough so that I stopped shooting it. The 45 ACP was a pussy cat and I never even really noticed its blast while shooting around 50 rounds.
Now, in the heat of the moment, likely you would never feel it, I do not know, BUT, if you did, you could be in trouble if it effected your concentration in such a moment.
The only experience I have with a 357 firing in an enclosed area was when I got my first 357 which was that Taurus M66 revolver and I shot it out of the old sunbird because it was to cold to get out. Rang my ears so bad they physically hurt to the touch and they rang for several days. Course that was back when I could hear better !!! LOL
Another issue to consider is muzzle blast in low light conditions. The Tok or 357 will blind you for several seconds, the 38 special or 45 ACP will flash very little.
Guess its a trade off, extreme performance with shootability and control and sight. As I have never been in a situation in real life, this is all just theory. In talking with Shawn about his experience which includes several hundred trips "through the door". He said his favorite is the 10mm loaded with the 180 gr XTP Hornady factory load which is not a puff load. That said, he did say most of the guys he worked with could not test proficent with that class of chambering and often shoot the FBI 40 S&W load which is a pretty mild load.
He said that the Hornady 10mm load seemed to have an acceptable amount of shootability and relatively low muzzle flast for him.
One thing he also said was that when the 357 Sig came out, several of the guys in his unit were using them with the 125 gr loaded to around 1400 fps. He always knew who they were and positioned himself away from them because of the blast from the Sigs...
Again, I have never been in this situation so its just my opinion and thats all it is and about all its worth.
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truth be told, for home defense, my night stand piece wouldn't be either a tok, .327 or .357. flash would certainly be a concern in darker conditions over any noise or blast issues. .40, gap or acp serves that purpose. i gotta get that .50gi load finalized and it'd serve, too.
i still think that performance comparison of the tok and .327 was interesting and one i'd never thought of. i'm going to have to fiddle a little more with the seating depths to get closer to that published 1700 fps.
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Ya, that 50 GI would sure be a defensive thumper for sure. Easy on the ears and eyes as well.
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was shawns 10mm easier or harder on the ears in-doors then your corbon? performance of the two is about the same, aren't they?
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I like the 32 h&R and see little need for the 327.
I have a friend that's the chief surgeon in a trauma center in a southern med center. He says the one thing they have little chance of fixing and saving is, someone coming in with a center mass hit from a 45 . 9mm ,38's and the like he says they can generally save the patient.
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I think I will stay with shooting 38 +P in my 357 Mags.
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I'll go with Wheezengeezer and Jerry said.
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miestro_jerry wrote: I carry a small 357 Magnum pistol, but load it with 38 Spl +P ammo. I have a couple of people who tell me that 327 Federal Magnum is much easier on the shooter than the same pistol with 38 Spl +P
I shoot a S&W 340 PD, that is 12 ounces, now there seems to be a small amount of light weight and air weights coming out in 327 Magnum. Any one have experience with both calibers?
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Since u already have the 357 - I would stay with it and the 38+s.
If I were to start from scratch - I'd go with both a short barrel 12 ga and a 45 acp pistol for HP. But that's just me.
One more thing u might consider, is a short (16") barrel lever action rifle in 357 mag!?
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Until there are enough shoots recorded to establish a track record that is pretty reliable, I'll stick with my 45 ACP with 230 Golden Sabres and S&W 442 with 125 gr Gold dot +P. 
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