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anybody know why 4.5 grains of 700x should damage the slide of a taurus pt1911?
also what would be a cleaner powder to use
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| Posted: Mon Oct 5th, 2009 08:37 PM |
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for ever and a day the mili load was 5 grs of bullseye.
the 700-x should be burning clean enough i'd be more worried about it metering evenly.
titegroup works pretty well in the acp also.
i am superfond of unique in the acp though 5.8 grs is awesomely soft shooting with either a 200 or a 230.
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clays is clean,bullseye is fairly clean, there's some others as well yet all leave some part of the combustion process,but u left outthe crucial part ... how big a slug ? 4.4 is listed as max for a 230 grainer,that being said ( and ur a lil over that )several things also come into play ...did u drop down the required 10% and work up ? and even a minute deeper setting of the bullet can dramatically raise pressure and then there's the condition of the firearm to consider ,did it have a previous fault ? or did some one possibly install a lighter than stock recoil spring ? the questions are endless amigo ,this one i believe i'd refer to a qualified gunsmith
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Here are some loads I've used. I now use Clays, or Universal Clays for cleaner powder. I hope this helps.
From Origon Trail;
180 LSWC IMR 700-X 4.0 grs 770 fps Remarks: starting load
180 LSWC IMR 700-X 5.5 grs 1,010 fps Remarks: maximum load.
From Sierra Dta Edition V;
Remarks: starting load
185 Sierra JHP or FPJ Match IMR 700-X 4.5 grs 750 fps
185 Sierra JHP or FPJ Match IMR 700-X 4.9 grs 800 fps
185 Sierra JHP or FPJ Match IMR 700-X 5.3 grs 850 fps
185 Sierra JHP or FPJ Match IMR 700-X 5.6 grs 900 fps
185 Sierra JHP or FPJ Match IMR 700-X 6.0 grs 950 fps
Remarks: maximum load.
Loads from Hodgdon; Starting loads, Remarks: dia: .452"; col: 1.140";
180 LFP Longshot 6.5 788 col: 1.140"; 9,800 cup
180 LFP HS-6 7.8 805 col: 1.140"; 10,900 cup
180 LFP Universal 5.3 755 col: 1.140"; 11,100 cup
180 LFP HP-38 5.0 778 col: 1.140"; 11,300 cup
180 LFP Titegroup 4.2 771 col: 1.140"; 10,200 cup
180 LFP Clays 3.8 783 col: 1.140"; 11,600 cup
Remarks: dia: .451"; col: 1.195";
185 JSWC Longshot 7.2 gr 919 fps 11,300 cup
185 JSWC HS-6 8.6 gr 888 fps 12,200 cup
185JSWC Universal 6.0 gr 908 fps 13,100 cup
185 JSWC HP-38 5.0 gr 762 fps 12,000 cup
185 JSWC Titegroup 5.0 gr 892 fps 14,600 cup
185 JSWC Clays 4.5 gr 855 fps 14,500 cup
Loads from Hodgdon; Maximum loads, Remarks: dia: .452"; col: 1.140";
180 LFP Longshot 8.0 gr 1,015 fps 16,900 cup
180 LFP HS-6 9.0 gr 961 fps 16,600 cup
180 LFP Universal 6.4 gr 1,019 fps 17,600 cup
180 LFP HP-38 6.0 gr 950 fps 16,800 cup
180 LFP Titegroup 5.2 gr 946 fps 16,600 cup
180 LFP Clays 4.5 gr 910 fps 16,700 cup
Hornandy JSWCs Remarks: dia: .451"; col: 1.195";
185 JSWC Longshot 8.2 gr 1,044 fps 17,000 cup
185 JSWC HS-6 9.5 gr 996 fps 16,800 cup
185 JSWC Universal 6.4 gr 977 fps 16,800 cup
185 JSWC HP-38 5.9 gr 906 fps 15,800 cup
185 JSWC Titegroup 5.5 gr 956 fps 17,000 cup
185 JSWC Clays 4.9 gr 981 fps 17,400 cup
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I hope this reads better than the last page.
Loads from Hodgdon; Starting loads
Lead Flat Points Remarks: dia: .452"; col: 1.140";
180 LFP Longshot 6.5 gr 788 fps 9,800 cup
180 LFP HS-6 7.8 gr 805 fps 10,900 cup
180 LFP Universal 5.3 gr 755 fps 11,100 cup
180 LFP HP-38 5.0 gr 778 fps 11,300 cup
180 LFP Titegroup 4.2 gr 771 fps 10,200 cup
180 LFP Clays 3.8 gr 783 fps 11,600 cup
Hornady JSWCs Remarks: dia: .451"; col: 1.195";
185 JSWC Longshot 7.2 gr 919 fps 11,300 cup
185 JSWC HS-6 8.6 gr 888 fps 12,200 cup
185 JSWC Universal 6.0 gr 908 fps 13,100 cup
185 JSWC HP-38 5.0 gr 762 fps 12,000 cup
185 JSWC Titegroup 5.0 gr 892 fps 14,600 cup
185 JSWC Clays 4.5 gr 855 fps 14,500 cup
Loads from Hodgdon; Maximum loads
Lead Flat Points Remarks: dia: .452"; col: 1.140";
180 LFP Longshot 8.0 gr 1,015 fps 16,900 cup
180 LFP HS-6 9.0 gr 961 fps 16,600 cup
180 LFP Universal 6.4 gr 1,019 fps 17,600 cup
180 LFP HP-38 6.0 gr 950 fps 16,800 cup
180 LFP Titegroup 5.2 gr 946 fps 16,600 cup
180 LFP Clays 4.5 gr 910 fps 16,700 cup
Hornady JSWCs Remarks: dia: .451"; col: 1.195";
185 JSWC Longshot 8.2 gr 1,044 fps 17,000 cup
185 JSWC HS-6 9.5 gr 996 fps 16,800 cup
185 JSWC Universal 6.4 gr 977 fps 16,800 cup
185 JSWC HP-38 5.9 gr 906 fps 15,800 cup
185 JSWC Titegroup 5.5 gr 956 fps 17,000 cup
185 JSWC Clays 4.9 gr 981 fps 17,400 cup
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damage how? are you running light recoil springs?
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thanks abunch guys. I really a;ppreciate the inpiut. this is a totally stock gun just as taurus built it. I sernt it back to taurus{$60} it was a carefully measred 4.5 grains. hornady load manual lists this as a fairly light load. I am confused and the slide locked all the way back and could not(by hand) move it . And I am a pretty strong man.
the load was magtech brass,winchester large oistol primer, 4.5 grains 700x (very carefully weighed), 230 grain hornady lead round nose. Lee faRIMP WITH HORNADY DIES.I have no load tables for unique. except foe 180 grain loads. where should I go from here.
I shoot a hole lot better than i type
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typing isnt my strong point and i can type correctly ( complete with cap's n punctuation but .... i honestly prefer being informal)
the load i quoted was from the powder manufactures pamphlet for a 230 gr. jacketed round nose, i usually look at several bits of reloading data and then try to make sense of them ( sometimes a very daunting task )and ur correct that hornady list 4.3 min and 5.3 as redline max,my lee list 4.3 to 4.7 with a 230 lead( not much play is there ? ) they also list it way down at the bottom of the page ( dead last to be honest)if ur familiar with the lee system, that's not great, usually acceptable but not top choice, they list top velocity first down to slowest last, usually the best loads are within the top 1/3,it's also almost dead last in the 230 jacket data ie; low velocity high pressure , i have no idea what kind of powder u have in stock so other than the cleaner burning powders i listed and ur mention of unique
my hornady list 5.1 to start and 6.3 for redline max now give me a minute and let me see what alliant's data says for unique ... hmmm only the speer 230 lead bullet but a max of 5.8 .....5.8 - 10% = appox 5.2 so that is running real close together
http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/RecipePrint.aspx?gtypeid=1&weight=230&shellid=35&bulletid=63&bdid=184
u may have to agree to the terms to see the load, i always urge folks to look at the powder company's data when they supply it no matter who the brand , sometimes it helps and sometimes they dont have it ,btw ? we have more than one person here who refer's to unique as "flammable dirt" i'm sure that u can draw ur own conclusions from that lolz but it does work ( and in a multitude of calibers )231 is a proven performer but i myself dont care for it , usually fairly clean tho ,the clays line is cleaner as is alliants power pistol , the choices are so many ....bullseye is listed in the hornady ...it's fairly clean ,keep in mind that one important aspect is bullet seating depth ,even a lil deeper than called for can raise pressure substantually
as to the fire arm it's self ...i cant say ..it could be a factory defect or it mite of sheared something off ( like a slide stop)all the taurus's i have are wheel guns and every time i get a new auto i never shoot it until i can get a shock buff system for if they make one( i call it babyin' my baby )but i am extremely interested in what taurus has to say so when u find out plz share ,just out of curiosity did u find and saved the ejected empty and if so did it look and mic normal ?
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one load i've found to be super accurate is a 200gr. cast semi-wad-cutter on 5.1gr. of bullseye.
it'll put 3 rounds in your eye, at 100 yards out of a colt series 70.
it has limited recoil...less than a federal 165gr. hydra-shock.
i hope this can be of some help.
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got my gun back taurus claimed the barrel was baD. dOESN'T SOOUND RIGHT BUT THEY PUT A NEW ONE IN
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I'm like everybody else, standard load is 5gr Bullseye, been shooting it for more than 40years. 5gr and 200gr hard cast. Wondering about your Taurus, I bought a 1911 in 38 Super about 6 months ago, put about 700 rounds through it and haven't had hickup one, eats everything I feed it. I mostly use it for bowling pin shoots, load 125gr cast and 5gr Bullseye. Sounds like I'm in a Bullseye rut, but it's always preformed well for me, and several years ago I bought 15lbs of it for $150. You can load alot of rounds at 5gr per with a pound of powder.
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If this happens again, would you take some pictures of the pistol? I would like to see this effect.
I use WW 231 in my 45 ACP loads, 225 grain LRN, CCI primer, and 5.5 grains of 231. This works well in all of the 1911s I have owned over the years and works will in my SIG P220 in 45 ACP.
Where my brother use 4.0 grains of Bullseye with everything else the same.
The load data that I have for 700x in 45ACP is a start load of 4.0 grains and a MAX load 5.0, so you are well in the proper load range.
I am interested in what caused this problem now.
Take care and fun at the range,
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bigwhiterubicon, read your post on your favorite load 5.1 grs. bullseye w/ 200 gr swc cast bullet. Could I ask what your col is, also what your final taper crimp is? I would like to load some silver state 200 gr. swc flat base bullets . haven't decided which powder to use yet. I just got some vvn320 & some vv n310, Its supposed to be close to bullseye only cleaner & of course more expensive. I really haven't had a chance to load up some lead loads ie [200 gr swc]. For punching paper I was using 4.2 bullseye w/ 200 gr. swc , taper crimp of .469. Can't remember what my col was, its been quite awhile since I loaded any. I just got a sig P-250 for ccw, but haven't had a chance to try it out yet. Its got a short barrel, for practice I guess I could use the swc 200. You must have worked a while to come up with a load to group that accurate. 100 yard eye size is really hitting dead on. Hey Thanks for your time & Happy shooting. k&j 223
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If I had to buy powder I might have different opinion (buddy worked a deal w/local LEOs to relieve them of their "hazardous waste" ie:ammo & powder turned in by us dinosaurs that croak & haven't educated our progeny) so have a HUGE cannister of Bullseye (wt. isn't on the can, but must be 20#--lg. ripple-sided red steel drum, which is so old the powder was lightly clumped & faded to a paler gray-green than normal. This won't surprise the rest of you dinosaurs, but it works just fine. Wouldn't it be nice if everything nowdays was as reliable? But I digress. 5grs. seems to be peachy in my Springfield TM (does have an 18# spring) with ANY 230 gr. bullet, TMJ plated, hardcast or FMJ. Gotta love the 1911. After 4-5k rounds of this +other loads, I'm fairly confident it's broken in. Oh yeah: the buddy hauling away the LEO's haz waste charge THEM for it. ;)
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I use 6.7 gr of AA-5 under 200 gr LSWCmild load,works good for me. Any lower on the powder and it starts to sound like pop gun, still cycles but little to mild for me
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I've been loading for the .45 ACP for close to 40 years, and have used almost everything from Bullseye to Herco in burn rate, and powders from Hodgdon, Winchester, and Accurate.
The older powders were not a clean as some of the newer formulations, but I was fine with performance from cast, extruded, and jacketed bullets from all of them.
One thought though, is that some lubes are way grimier than others no matter what powder is used.
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