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No ruckus bro..Just good commentary and food for thought in this thread..
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Wow, what a discussion.
Crime has always been a part of society. I don't think anyone here is advocating being a victim, though. Again, I do not believe crime is any more prevelant today than in the past. There have always been those who, for whatever reason, decide they want what belongs to someone else. There have always been people whose judgement has been clouded by drug and alcohol use, too. That is not an excuse to me. If that person, however disturbed his judgement is, for whatever reason, presents a threat to either myself, my family, or someone else under my protection, I will use deadly force with no hesitation.
I carry on body on a daily basis, my wife carries whenever we leave the house, and her "companion" is in her pocket when she's at home on her days off. We never answer the door without a weapon ready to hand. Paranoid? I don't think so, just realists.
My experiences come in a city of 1 million plus people. We live and work in "nice" areas. Guess what, though. Badguys are mobile!
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Timberghozt
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I hear ya bro.When I was down there doing that job for that horse racing track I carried my SIG full time.I had alright been warned that there are places in San Anton to stay away from..It can get rather bad down there bud..
We are not immune here in small town Salado either.Usually Belton and Temple are always in the news for robbings,stabbings,shootings and occasional murders.Killeen is ALWAYS in the news..
But here lately breakins in Salado have been happening regulary.The last one I remember was a break in and assault of a man and wife in the process.I don`t think they found who did that.
Salado is sort of a ritzy place with Mill Creek ..I guess crooks think with all the Doctors,Lawyers and Austin computer geeks living here that burglaries will benefit them more than robbing everyday Joes like me...But the everyday folks have been getting hit hard around here on 4 wheelers,small tractors,boat motors ..etc
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Had a home invasion here last night. 6 guys burst into a house - homeowner employed a shotgun. Final score, one bad guy dead, one critically wounded, two other captured, two others probably still running, dribbling brown stuff down a pants leg.
Homeowner, unhurt.
That's why we have firearms. Only one person can be responsable for your own safety/security, and that's you.
BTW, wife carries either a CZ RAMI 9mm with 14 round extended mag, or her CZ PCR 9mm. Nice compliment to my CZ PO1, ya think?
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armoredman wrote: Had a home invasion here last night. 6 guys burst into a house - homeowner employed a shotgun. Final score, one bad guy dead, one critically wounded, two other captured, two others probably still running, dribbling brown stuff down a pants leg.
Homeowner, unhurt.
That's why we have firearms. Only one person can be responsable for your own safety/security, and that's you.
BTW, wife carries either a CZ RAMI 9mm with 14 round extended mag, or her CZ PCR 9mm. Nice compliment to my CZ PO1, ya think?
Amen!
Personally, I carry a 1911 and a serious backup (being a gun nut that changes slightly with the season but is usually, well, another 1911 - but during hunting season it is often an N-Frame S&W since I live and work in a rural area).
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These are all good answers but it boils down to having a gun is always better than using your bare hands no matter how well you've been trained. It boils down to whether you want to be a victim or not.
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Morning Gentlemen >> I've read many times in this thread a belief that crime is no more prevalent today then it was yesterday. To an extent, I agree. What I do believe has changed over the years is a drastic decline in the simply value of life. Life has become aweful expendable, these days. While I don't necessarily believe this attitude has promoted an "increase" in crime, I do believe it has increased the level of brutality associated with the criminal element. This, in and of itself, is more then enough reason to legally arm oneself against that brutality.
I'm very familiar with MT state law, as it relates to CCW and the justified use of deadly force. As has been mentioned, I do hope it never comes to it, but I am comforted in the knowledge that if a situation presents itself where action is needed and justified by law, I'm prepared. >> korey
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I guess that the only way to survive is to be better prepared than your attacker. Bigger gun, longer knife, higher cyclic rate, and most importantly, a stronger will to live.
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Recently on another forum someone related that they were held up at gunpoint and releived of his wallet and then his pistol (a small .380 I think).
My wife, who really isn't into this, made one of the most astute observations I have heard: "Well, he wasn't armed. He may have had a gun but he did not have the will to use it, therefore he was unarmed."
Words of wisdom!
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Very true!
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I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6!
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Some of the reasons why I carry;
Was robbed in a motel by a person who had a pass key.
Meth problem in our general region of the country. Plenty of tweakers in town.
I have three daughters at home.
Have had permit to carry since I got out of Army in '79.
Car prowls, burgleries/house invasions up in area.
Carrying saved my butt at a cash machine at 3 A.M. (I work nights)
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Hey Fellas, I would like to add to this, even though it is an older post. As a previous LEA, I would like to express my thoughts. I have seen too much ugliness to turn a blind eye to crime. I have gone to crime scenes where the people were assulted and a couple raped. They had called 911 and the police arrived too late. With growing populations, and declining law enforcement numbers per capita, we can not hope that the police will be there in time. What if the call number is backed uo two pages on the call scenes, and you need them now. It could be too late. Another thought is for those who are going to shoot to wound. This is a bad idea to me. Any defense lawyer worth his salt will sue the pants off of you for the now VICTIMS pain and suffering, and he will point out that if the situation was not bad enough for you to shoot to kill, there must have been another less violent way to end the assault. I would also pull my sidearm to kill. Anything else would be talked down or end in me running the other way. Unfortunately for us, the criminals get more rights than we do anymore. I would not want the perp to be alive to paint a sorry, pleading picture for how me and my bad a$$ totally over reacted and he is not to blame. I also think that for those who are in the bad situation to have to shoot someone around their family, I would advise thinking about how that will affect everyone around you. I do not mean do not protect youraelf or loved ones, just to stop nightmares, but something to think about maybe talking with your family before. You can talk about why you may have to do that, and get everyone on he same page. I also agree with those who say, keep your mouth shut until you havr an attorney. Anything you say can and will be used against you later. The attorneys will pick apart how many rounds you said you fired and were and when you were doing what. It is sad that most of these selfdefense situations get turned into a sideshow, but they do. I carry because of people I have put away, and because I have sen what happens when you bury your head in the sand and think the police will handle everything. They cannot, through no fault of their own, but because we have too many people for too few officers. Just my long winded thoughts, but I think they at least have some merit. Exercise your right to carry, YOU MAY BECOME THE THIN BLUE LINE FOR YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES!!!!!!!
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Allister,
Thank you for your comments. They copy my thoughts and opinions. My son-in-law is a trooper with the N.C. Highway Patrol, and he has said essentially the same thing. We are the final line between our family and the bad guys. I think many recognize the concept but fail in truly accepting it as a fact. Could you accept the death of your wife or child because you weren't ready. I couldn't. LEO's have more on their plates than they can possibly handle ( and that's a whole topic in itself!!). It's up to us, and I know where I stand on this.
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Why do I have CC
On the off-day I have an Officer having a 'BAD DAY' needing paperwork
On the late nights returning from a Hunt
On the early morning outings
On the days when traveling to shooting range
Doesn't this seem SILLY?
Cause the Law wants to know WHO YOU ARE?
Aint never been the Size of the Dog in the Fight;
Always been the Fight in the Dog
And this dog is more like a p'utty cat. meow
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My constitutional right to carry, and my God given right to protect my family. I am a peaceful man, but threaten my family and I will introduce you to the ballistics of a 10mm round.
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Here recently I read a great line for the reason to carry. " I carry a gun cause I can't carry a cop". When you think about it there lies a bunch of wisdom in that lil sentence.
Take care Be safe Poacher.
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I've had a CCW for 50+ years. I carry because I don't ever want to be in the position of grieving over a family member, a friend, or even an innocent stranger that I might have helped but couldn't because I wasn't armed. Besides, the more of us that carry the more we screw with the tiny brains of the thugs and criminals who always figure the odds.
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I dont have a CCL but plan on getting one when i return from Iraq, There are two reasons i will be getting one and will carry my XD45.
A guy was comming home from work, His wife picked him up and they stopped at a store on the way home. While in the store a young male made a few rude remarks to his wife and when he heard it he told the young male to close his hole and act right. About 2AM his dog started barking and he got up and looked out the window. There was a car out front and 3 people were walking tward the house. He grabbed his gun and went to the front door while his wife dialed 911. At about 25 feet from the door he could see a gun in the first persons hand. He unlocked the door, pulled open the door and fired 6 shots. The first male was hit 3 times and died on the spot, the other two ran back to the car and sped off as one bled to death on the way to the hospital. The person on the sidewalk turned out to be the same young male that made the rude comments to his wife. 45 minutes after the shooting the police arrived, granted he lived out in the country, if he didnt have a gun him and his wife would have died that night.
You can always plan for your own actions but can never plan for others, i refuse to be a victim.
After carying a weapon for 20 years in service to our country it feels strange not having one with me all the time.
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