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Slugs? Isn't the standard .410 slug 1/5 or 1/4 ounce? Even the 1/4 ounce slug is only about 110 grains. I'll stick with a heavier rifled projectile, thanks.
Multiball loads are intresting. Remington loaded a multiball .38 and .357 "defence" load several years back...they didn't exactly need to add anouther shift to keep up with the sales demand.
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Pretty interesting concept gun just the same. They're bringing a pretty good premium right now. I wouldn't mind having one once the new wears off and you can get one on the cheap.
I'd probably think a load of either the bigger birdshot or smaller buckshot would be my preference and maybe a couple 45's mixed in.
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 YEP I HAVE ONE AWESOME SPRAY GUN I HAVE THE 2 1/2 INCH
I LIKE SHOOTING THE 410 TRIPLE 000 BUCK LEAVES 3 GOOD SIZE HOLES
ALSO I SHOT IT IN OUR POND AWESOME SPRAY PATTERN WITH #8 SHOT
AS FOR THE 45 LONG COLT I WILL SHOOT THE LEADED 45'S THEN I WILL SHOOT
SOME JACKETED TO KEEP THE LEAD BUILD UP SEE YA
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seems as if I saw where Federal has come up with special 410 shells with buckshot just for the Judge/short bbl etc. Maybe that changes things..........
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I respect the various opinions that have been expressed on this forum regarding the Taurus Judge. Here is mine.
I have a 3" cylinder version, standard weight, 3" barrel. The lightweight would be a joy to carry, but perhaps not to shoot. I would have purchased one, but they were (and are) still pretty hard to come by.
The Judge is not without some problems, but they can be overcome. The first is substantial build up of plastic in the rifling when shooting shot shells. Shooter's choice has a plastic solvent in it. I use it and would recommend using a tornedo brush for removing the plastic fouling. The second problem is that the standard Winchester Cowboy loads really lead the Judge barrels, at least they badly leaded mine. So, cleaning the Judge can be a bit of a chore, especially if you don't use the tornedo brush and the right solvents. This fouling (both the leading and the plastic) really impares accuracy!
When kept clean and with appropriate handloads that don't lead the bore, my Judge shoots 1.25" or better 5-shot groups offhand at 25 feet. I've shot dozens of them. I shot a .85" one-hole group at this distance 2 days ago. Most of the short-barreled 1911's on the line do not shoot 1.25" groups (offhand) at 25 ft. (In fact, except for mine, I haven't seen any.)
Another problem that the Judge has comes from its sights. It doesn't have target sights, but fixed, defensive sights. I have a bit of a hard time getting a consistent sight picture. Perhaps others can, but I cannot. My old eyes can't focus well at 25 yards and on the sights at the same time. So my longer-range targets are not as good. However, I would wager that if I were to install a laser sight, the Judge would do just fine at the longer distance. If I go that route, I'll report back to you.
I am an engineer, and yes I know about the theoretical problem associated with the very long freebore in the Judge. Nevertheless, mine is accurate in excess of what is needed for a short-range defensive weapon.
Regarding shot shells, I use the 3" 000 buck shot type. These have five balls in them, each about .356" in diameter. My chronograph is down, so I can't vouch for these numbers, but I understand that the muzzle speeds of the shot is said to be 1100 - 1200 ft/sec. This is roughly equal to that of any 3" .357 magnum - yet five holes are made in the target with each trigger squeeze, not one. This is a formidable defensive weapon if you ask me.
I have done some careful testing of the behavior of the 000 buck shot. I would not recommend use at ranges beyond 30 ft (10 yards) MAXIMUM. 25' or less is to be preferred. At the ranges of 25 - 30 feet, the 000 buck patterns vertically. The reason is that the balls don't all leave the muzzle at once and as the gun recoils, its muzzle lifts, launching each successive ball higher into the air. At 25 - 30 feet, aim at the crotch. You'll get a crotch hit, a spine hit or two mid-way up, a lung hit, and a head strike or two. I could say unequivocally, that I would not ever want to be on the receiving end of a Judge! Double action works well and produces 10 .357-sized holes in a close target in less than a second. I just shot a full-auto Uzi for the first time recently and quite frankly, it wouldn't put the same number of holes in a near target any faster.
#4 bird shot produces a devistating pattern at 15 to 20 ft. It is unreliable at 25 ft because of the large, uneven shot pattern.
Regarding larger game loads, I am just starting to experiment with handloads containing Cast Performance's 45 cal, 300 gn FN bullets. They are hard, and I expect that they will shoot end-to-end through the long dimension of a black bear. No, I would not recommend shooting griz with this rig unless there are no other options.
In summary, the Judge appears to me to be an excellent short-range defensive weapon with the capability to reach out at longer distances using 45 LC ammunition (handloads) IF THE BARREL IS CLEAN. If you let fouling build up, all bets to accuracy are off. One other thing. The Judge is obviously not meant for concealed carry. It is a bit too big and awkward for this. (In addition, the standard weight Judge is too heavy for comfortable concealed carry.) But for nonconcealed carry outdoors, or for use in the home or in a car it can do just what you'd expect of it.
So much for my 2 cents. Thanks for listening.
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The Federal shells that I have seen are the 2 1/2" shells. What is unique about these is that Federal found a way to get four 000 balls into the standard 2 1/2" shells, whereas all the other manufactures provide only 3 in this length shell. This is why I bought the Judge version having the 3" chamber. This way, I get five 000 buck shot in each shell and don't have to buy Federals since others like Winchester provide this loading.
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bought a judge a few weeks ago, 2 1/2 barrel and with the shorter cylinder have been playing with 250 and 200 grain bullets using titegroup powder. (6 grains with the 250 and 7 grains with the 200 both are pleasant shooting loads) only reason I'm trying titegroup is the claim it causes no problems when loaded in large volume cases.
With my gun so far I'm getting much tighter groups with the 200 grain, plus the 250 grain Keith type bullets are keyholing at 25 feet, which I suspect is the results of the shallow rifling?
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