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What is the most powerful handgun on the market today, Be it revolver or Semi auto.
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eliminating all the various big bore rifle cartridges that have been worked into tc's single shot handgun and magnum research's bfr, you'd be looking at the .50ae in a semiauto platform; .500s&w mag in revolver. unless i'm overlooking something.
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There have a been a few made bigger and more powerful than the 500 S&W and the 50ae, but those seem to have slipped into archival mode. With only a few example remaining. There is also the 50 Linebaugh, which is another big honker as well as the Wyoming Express
There is the Judge that recently appeared in the American Rifleman, which is a .410 firing revolver. For the most part pistols seem to be limited to 50 caliber and below. Probably some law out there.
Having the bragging rights is one thing, but affording to shoot them and being able to handle the recoil are different issues.
Here are some energy stats on these hand cannons
500 Linebaugh Bullet 468 grain, velocity 1134fps, energy 1336, momentum 75 Taylor KO is 37
500 S&W Magnum Bullet 500grain, velocity 1482fps, Energy 2437, Momentum 105, Taylor KO 52
500 Wyoming Express, bullet 440 grains, velocity 1450fps, energy 2053, Momentum 91, Taylor KO 45
500 AE bullet 325 grain, velocity 1201, energy 1040, Momentum 55, Taylor KO is 27
This is for comparison, 44 Mag with a 240 grain load has a Taylor KO is 20, The 454 Casull 300grain load has a Taylor KO of 30, the standard 12 gauge shotgun with a slug has a Taylor KO of 53.
The Taylor formula was developed by John Taylor, a big game hunter. This is a measure of relative killing power.
The energy for a 50 S&W Magnum and killing powder is similar to a 12gauge with a 1 ounce slugmaster.
So these are the facts on these big honkin' pistols.
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if i remember correctly, the .50ae was originally designed around the more traditional .50 cal bullet diameter (.510) but legalities defining "destructive devices" forced the move down to an even .500 bullet. i'm not entirely sure if this had more to do with the semiauto platform rather then bullet diameter. .50gi, s&wmag and the .500we stayed straight .500 while the .500 linebaugh revolvers seem to be alright using a .510 bullet. who knows. i would imagine sometime down the line, someone will try to trump the powder of a .500s&w magnum on a revolver platform, if it's legal to do so. someone's always looking to push the envelope.
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The Next Step is the 500 Maximum.
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sadly .50 cal was the limit (thanx to our umm helpful folks at atf )the 45/70 and the 45 marlin are both available in 5 shot revolvers it's not the biggest persay but it does thump !they had a new sport store built close by they had 2 on consignment (45/70 &450marlin) each with a price tag of $2000 funny thing is that both have a msrp of $899 sigh yup u guessed it they still have them ..but a few spec's
GeneralSpecifications
Height: 6 inches
Width: 1.75 inches
Overall Length: 15 inches (long cylinder) or 13.75 inches (short cylinder) with a 7.5" barrel
Sights: Factory adjustable rear with fixed black front
Cylinder Capacity: 5 shots
Finish: Brushed stainless steel
2008 MSRP: $899
Long Cylinder Specifications
.30-30 Win. with 10" barrel has a twist rate of 1 in 10" and weighs 5.3 pounds
.444 Marlin with 10" barrel has a twist rate of 1 in 16" and weighs 4.8 pounds
.45 LC/.410 with 7.5" barrel has a twist rate of 1 in 20" and weighs 4.5 pounds
.45/70 Gov't with 10" barrel has a twist rate of 1 in 14" and weighs 4.7 pounds
.450 Marlin with 10" barrel has a twist rate of 1 in 14" and weighs 4.7 pounds
.460 S&W Mag. with 7.5" barrel has a twist rate of 1 in 16" and weighs 4.3 pounds
.500 S&W Mag. with a 7.5" barrel has a twist rate of 1 in 15" and weighs 4.5 pounds
Short Cylinder Specifications
.22 Hornet with 10" barrel has a twist rate of 1 in 9" and weighs 4.7 pounds
.454 Casull with 6.5" barrel has a twist rate of 1 in 16" and weighs 3.7 pounds
.480 Ruger/.475 Linebaugh with 6.5" barrel has a twist rate of 1 in 15" and weighs 3.6 pounds
.50AE with 6.5" barrel has a twist rate of 1 in 15" and weighs 3.6 pounds
IMO one does have to count the bfr lolz ,i'm certain i would hate to be on the wrong end of it ! here's a lil 46 sec clip of the 450 marlin lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLTjN90bMLE&feature=relatedLast edited on Tue Apr 28th, 2009 06:13 PM by fryboy
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I have seen customer revolver that use rifle cartridges, most notability the 45-70 pistols. I think I saw a 45-70 Derringer, but don't remember it that well.
If some one was to take the 500 Belted Brass Basic cases and create a revolver around this 2.87" long case, you may have created the 500 Super Maximum. I think the S&W 500 Magnum is 1.625" in case length, so for a straight case revolver round this would be in the outer limits (not the TV show) of what would even be possible to shoot.
The brass is only $35 for 50 cases.
Information from another source indicates that there is a 500 Maximum out there, it is also known as the 500 Linebaugh Long or 458 Linebaugh, which is 1.6" in case length. Here is the only thing I can find on John Linebaugh:
http://www.customsixguns.com/pricing.htm
I think I will stay with my Contender Super 14 with a JDJ 444 Marlin barrel.
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The 50AE and the S&W 500 are the most powerful "production" cartridges made.
Below is my Desert Eagle in 50AE with one of my S&W 500's
With a 700gr slug loaded in the S&W 500 the Taylor KO is 60. It's fairly easy enough to shoot in all but the little ES snubby. Only then does it test my threshold for pain. The linebaugh long was around before the S&W 500 but it only operates at 30K where the saami spec for the S&W 500 is 65K.
And yes, the 50AE did start life as a .510 dia bullet and was designed around the original Mark I in 44mag. IIRC the originators name was Bob Olsen.
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a bfr in .475 linebaugh would really round out my revolver collection. fill the gap between the .454 and .500, nicely.
since we're having a ball with this, given the .50ae's the semiauto power king, who's second in command?
the .475 wildey magnum? 300 gr. bullet at 1600+ isn't to shabby. was mildly interested in a gas operated semi-auto so chambered for a short time. interest in the gun kinda passed but have always thought highly of the cartridge.
wish the automag would have got ahold of that one and chambered it in their series of handguns.
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TC Encore handgun in 600 nitro many of us saw the results when fired entire pistol recoiled back just missing the shooters head.
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TC Encore with 15" barrel in .30-06 is fun to shoot.
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I have a 15" 06 barrel that I sent to http://www.probed2000.com for a muzzle brake install which tames the recoil a bit with my hunting loads. I took it to pennsylvania last november for friends to shoot,they enjoyed firing it.I like to load 125, 130 & 150gr bullets for this 06. Last edited on Wed Apr 29th, 2009 04:53 PM by sako06
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I shot a 460 S&W for the first time Not too bad. It shoots a 45 acp I think and a 454 casual and of course the 460 S&W. Nice to be able to fire something other than a bone crunching 460 at $1.50 a tug. My question is how does the recoil compair to a S&W 500 and can you shoot other rounds through it.
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I opted to forego firing the S&W 500 at a Raahauges Shooting Sports Fair after trying Super Redhawks in 454casull & 480.Some men there tried it and said the recoil wasn't that bad due to the muzzle brake.I shoot 45 colt, 454 casull & SW460mag in my 20" bullberry encore rifle barrel.Since it's a 451 or 452 one should be able to use bullets designed for the 45acp.Read about someone trying that.
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I had forgotten about this thread, here is the most powerful handgun in the modern world. It will make people stop doing what ever they were doing when this goes off.
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I have very little handgun experience and nothing in the same league to compare to, but recently got a SW 500 and shot it last weekend. I used 400 gr jacketed soft tip rounds, so I was near the middle of the range of kick. I got 5 rounds through it that day and can still feel it in my hand today, a week later. Maybe I'm just wimpy, but I'm getting a glove for it next time. It was entirely manageable and I never lost control of it, but to have any fun with it, there's got to be some sort of check on the recoil.
It's definitely a fun machine. My excuse to buy it was to clear the pasture of all those pesky elephants. I don't regret buying it, but will be more cautious next time I shoot it. I can't imagine a more powerful handgun (in production).
Some neat observations: Noise is outrageous. Double hearing protection recommended. Does lots of damage to range target holders. Irritates other shooters who didn't think to bring the same hearing protection you did. Would be great to video a night shot. I saw an internet photo of a shot in the dark showing the muzzle flash. It's pretty outrageous. It's also VERY accurate at ranges that are long in comparison to other handguns.
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having little handgun experience, you're certainly jumping into the deep end of the pool with that .500 purchase, lynx. most fellers i talk to who wade into handguns with a .500 purchase are typically looking to off-load the revolver as quick as they can for something a little less ... demanding (punishing might be a better word). hope ya stick with it. the revolvers and cartridge are indeed a rush to work with. there's a couple guys here handloading for it so finding folks to compare notes with shouldn't be a problem.
this is the latest development i'm working on with 500 & 700 gr. cast wfngc's from a couple different suppliers :
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I knew it was a lot considering my experience only. I just didn't want to waste the money on all the intermediate steps. This purchase was my fun gun and not much else to be honest. I don't foresee unloading it for a lesser gun at all. I'll probably use it for deer hunting and limited range/target shooting. It's also a nice demo for anybody who wants to give it a try. We have an awful lot of shooters (a few very competitive ones at that) and a few reloaders at work and I already took one to the range to try it. He has a Barrett he wants me to try too, so it all works out.
It's a beast and it hurts after a while but the fun factor definitely makes up for it.
On a side note, it's broken and went back to SW this week. After we shot last weekend, I was playing around with it and noticed that the hammer wouldn't stay back in battery (for SA shooting) and when attempting DA, the hammer never hit detent and released. I'm really glad this happened when it was unloaded and in a controlled situation. I couldn't imagine having it fire when I wasn't expecting it, and that particular problem seemed like a prime candidate for that to happen. We'll see how good SW customer service is.
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Here ya go
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One of my kids loved to shoot my T/C Contenders in some really heavy calibers as well as heavy loads.
Even thou the contender is not a part of this thread, the recoil and jolt of some cartridges is related.
I have a 30/30 barrel and a 444 Marlin Super 14 barrels, middle son takes out about 100 rounds for each, I tend to load hot for my Contenders. This child of mine had blisters on his hands, tingly elbows and wanted more ammo to shoot.
Did he hit anything, yes, why did he shoot until his arms were ready to drop off, his reason was simple, so no one could say he was a wimp. That was about 20 or more years ago, he has smartened up a lot since then. Lighter calibers and make your shots count.
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