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Since I am tired of being called unamerican for not owning a 1911 but at the same time not wanting to spend $2500 for a custom wilson combat/nighthawk/les baer etc. I am looking at either a KIMBER PRO CDP II or a SPRINGFIELD LOADED CHAMPION. I don't believe I could go wrong with either but am looking for some input from you .45 acp guys. Being a HK/Glock guy I was curious as to the above pistols' reliability (I understand break in periods) more especially with hollow point ammo since I may decide to carry it on occassion.
Thanks in advance for your consideration.
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I think most guys are going to favor what they carry ,and in that vane ,
my ccp is a kimber pro cdp II with the aluminum frame and I absolutely love it
after I put it on I tend to forget its there,it is very accurate and smooth shooting,
it doe's not lick the chip mccormick mags, it would fail to come to full battery every forth or fifth shot
switched to the wilson combat mags smooth as silk never fails to feed or come to full battery
favorite load is 230jhp sitting on top of 6.0 gn's of universal clays (very clean burning & hard hitting)
good luck with your pick
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777 , I got to agree with you. I own a Colt and a Kimber. The kimber is a very well made gun Tolerances are VERY tight, and super crisp triger pulls. I have the compact carry stainless,. I have shot several models before saving for the kimber, I just was realy impressed with the kimber models. My colt is very old, (1919) but the barrel was replaced for more accuracy at range,it was my granddads. like you stated everyone has their own opinion, but I think you cant go wrong with Kimber.
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I've been very pleased with an early Kimber, accurate and reliable. Para Ordnance has nice 1911s as well. Believe it or not, I've heard good things about the imported RIA (Philipines?) 1911s. Haven't handled one, though.
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Thanks for the input. I know that these "modern" pistols are not your daddy's 1911 in that they have been "improved" in looks, accuracy, tolerances, etc., but they now have the option of shooting jhp ammo and that is where they get the hang ups. Glocks, HKs etc. (not as pretty and less expensive) dont' have that problem. In other words what does it take (ammo type, parts, mags, break-in, tuning)to get one of these new 1911s to go bang every time with jhp ammo???
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I have 3 Kimbers (Raptor II, SS Target II and a Ultra Carry II) and a Wilson tactical Elite. I did fire my father 1911 way back in the 60s, my brother has it now.
To have a 1911 that shoots a load every time, first make sure everything is clean. My dependable load for a 200 JHP is a simple one, 5.8 grains of WW 231 powder, CCI primers, I use military brass with the primer pocket swaged out. If you want to shoot 225/230 JHP use 5.3 grains of ww 231. If you are having a feeding problem, have the ramp polished by a compotent gunsmith. None of my "modern" 1911 have needed anything really done to them. They all shoot extremely well and the Kimbers actually cost me a lot less than if I built my own 1911, which I have built several over the years.
Currently I am working up some loads with Winchester AutoComp powder, it looks promising.
Friends of mine, who shoot a lot of 45 ACPs use a weaker spring and something like 3.5 grains of Bullseye with a 230 LRN, when they tuned their pistols for this load they get consistent shooting with no failures, so it is a matter of understanding what you want to do finding what load works for you, especially before you change anything with a Kimber.
Hope this helps,
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I agree with Jerry, having played with a bunch of 1911s over the years, and built a few, I don't think there is much out there today that needs the fluff and buff treatment of years back. The last ramp I had to modify to feed JHPs was on a WWII Ithaca back in the late 70's.
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Thanks again for the info...
Charley, I did hold one of the RIA (Rock Island??) dealer said it was an inexpensive gun that actually does shoot pretty well, but with such a small/badly located beaver tail you need to watch out or the hammer will come down hard and smash the web of your hand between the hammer and beaver tail. Much like the slide will hit your hand on a Glock if you take a high grip. I have large hands and even just holding it, the web of my hand kept sneaking in there.
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I did a little research on the RIA 1911s, they seem to be a good basic 1911 pistol. Some people want to add things to the pistol which really doesn't add to the accuracy. While other who owned higher end 1911 gave up on the RIA. Then there is another group that swears by the RIA.
If you want to do anything useful to your RIA 1911, get a Wilson Dovetail and a Wilson Hammer for it. That is what my gunsmith recommends, he said other wise it is a good pistol for a basic 1911. He also said that some of the RIAs have feeding problems, but he has never seen one that has that problem
Think about how much the pistol costs and then the cost of all of these add ons.
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I always have used Ed Brown's parts, particulary like his beavertail grip safety. Always felt better to me than Wilson's.
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I was offered a Colt 1991A1, that was used to fire 2 boxes of ammo,from my firearms dealer.When I mentioned the price to the officers I worked with they said buy it & if I didn't they would so I bought it,took it to a local pistol smith for some modifications so it would hit the target I aimed at,I bought a wilson 22lr conversion for it that I've been using for training my grandsons to shoot.Now ammo is in short supply but my neighbor just went on gun broker and bought a few thousand 22lr rounds which he'll share with me.
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The Colt 1991 should be good to go right out of the box. But a 22 conversion is a good choice for teaching younger folks how to shoot a 1911.
I still lean towards the Kimber 1911 pistols.
Jerry
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My others are Sig Sauer P220 & Ruger Black Hawk 4 5/8" barrel convertible 45acp/45colt .I have PMP 220gr ammo plus lots of reloads.
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Sako,
You bring up and interesting point. I like my SIG P220, DA in 45 ACP, really better in some cases, for most that come to mind, I would take my SIG P220 over all of my 1911s if my life depended on one weapon.
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Those para-ordinance lda pistols are pretty cool. Had a p-14 45, and had no complaints
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Our discount dealer tried to get me to purchase some consecutively serial numbered high cap mag para ordnance 45acp ss models but I already had a Sig P220.
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Am very pleased with my Springfield 1911.
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Some years ago, I built my own 1911s, which most of the really great parts are not made by the same companies any more.
Then I sent a new Colt Series 70 to Wilson with a check for a bunch of money. The pistol that came back was really much better than the ones I built. Then a few years later, Kimber came out with their version on the 1911s. They shot well, then I tried one from the Kimber Custom Shop. It shot better than anything I had ever put together or bought. Then I sold my first Wilson and bought a Wilson Tactical Elite
Now I own two 1911s from the Kimber Custom Shop pistols, a small Kimber Pro Carry II and the Wilson and a couple of others, but I carry my Sig P220 most of the time. That may tell you something.
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I own two Springfield TRP's I use one for duty. The other is my back up just in case I need to turn in my first TRP in for evidence.
I used to carry an H&K USP .40, once I laid my hands on the 1911, I never turned back and got rid of my Glock as well.
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If I could only have one .45 I believe that it would be a Sig 220. I love my Para ordinance P12s but one would have a difficult time wearing out a P220. Out of the box they are excellent and there is not much one can do to improve them. The barrels are cold hammer forged and are excellent. I haven't heard any negative comments from anyone concerning a Sig.
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