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So glad she stopped him but just wished she could have put the rest of the mag into the terrorist POS. wc
PS, if anyone can get an address for her or the hosp. I would love to send her some flowers and a gift certificate for some more rounds,wc
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This is really a tragedy. If this Major objected to the war so much, then he should have applied for the appropriate status, or resigned, or gone AWOL, or put a bullet in his own head, whatever. Not take the lives of so many fellow soldiers.
On the firearms issue, it sounds like he used an FN Five-seven. This is going to be played by the media a great deal I'm sure. It's unfortunately a lot of fuel for the anti-gun crowd to use. The unusual (for the US) caliber, 5.7mm, which CNN is already describing as a "cop killer". The high capacity of the pistol, 20rd clip standard with 30rd available. They are saying he fired over 100 rounds, which means he had at least 4-6 magazines. Combine this with all the other recent shootings and...well, send some money to the NRA if you have it... 
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I personally blame the govt for this and there stupid equal oppurtunity/politically correct crap i mean c'mon Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan theres a nice american name. Has more in common withour enemy then with us but oh well lets give him a commission. What about the other ragheads that have done the same thing to there comrades in the desert. Of course this is a country that has became so accepting that it would elect Barrack Hussein Obama, another name that has more in common with the terrorist then his own people. And guess what it will happen again, cause as long as the govt allows them in the military they will always have the risk of it happening. Of course there is always risks but when u allow such people in at such a time as now your just asking for trouble. I am sorry that this has happened, but i am not shocked in the least and hope that the wounded recover rapidly and those that were killed get avenged by there comrades in the sandbox. One thing for sure even if military wont monitor there people the person next to the next mohammad or whoever in the ranks will.
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Well, Montana, I do tend to aggree with ya.
When you add up his having, from the reports I have heard, a "problem child" for the Army, "disciplined" supposedly on 2 occasions for prostelysing Islam to his "patients", his months and months of statements he has put on the internet, he has a clear history, even if he was named Joe Smith, that runs every warning flag I have up very tall poles and lights them in neon.
If the reports I have heard are true, I am not surprised by his actions.
The problem/bad part is, I am ALSO not surprised by his comander's inactions, in the current government climate anyhow.
Political Correctness will damage this country to levels unataiable by weapons.
It also smacks as obvious, from reports that "he had been trying to get out of the army for some time, even retaining an attorney" that he didn;'t want out too bad.
Now, I'm former enlisted, any former officers are welcome to clarify if my understandings are in error, but, he's a Comissioned Officer for heaven's sake. If he wants out of the army, RESIGN HIS COMMISSION AND WALK.
It's mot like we Enlisted who must abide by the time terms of our enlistment. He can (unless, as noted, I misunderstand the finer points someplace), simply resign his commission, and walk, and they can't stop him.
IMO, he wanted an early retirement to get out, and the Army wasn't giving that up, and I don't think they should, that's what the attorney/ambulance chaser/schyster was for.
(sorry, but I have a generally dim view of most attorneys, caused by the Tort specialists). 
Any decent ones, current or former, in present company, will understand I do not refer to them so. 
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Regarding his failure to retire, that is modified when he took the medical schooling and also applied to other schools he might have attended. As with the Academies, there is an obligation to serve for a time after completion of the training. So, yes, he can retire after that contract time is fulfilled. Then there is getting passed over for promotion, which seldom happens below O-4, if I understand all I think I know.
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In the Army at the moment, Medical Doctors are under heavy utilization. My family doctor is a 55 year old LTC, already has been to Iraq and Afhganistan during two separate activations. When I was in the army, the rule that you had to be able to make LTC by your 39th birthday or you were out. If you were passed over a couple-three times you were out.
There are 1Lt nurses that are too old to be at their ranks, but they need medical folks.
This guy apparently owed the Gov some money for medical training and he was paying it off with active duty time.
He should have resigned his commision and then worked out a deal to pay off his debt.
Rules change and especially during war times.
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Soft lockdown at our school (Belton) on Thursday
Friday, the principal came on for announcements and thanked everyone who gave blood in the blood drive, because it helped save everyone brought into Scott & White
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MontanaShooter wrote: I personally blame the govt for this and there stupid equal oppurtunity/politically correct crap i mean c'mon Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan theres a nice american name. Has more in common withour enemy then with us but oh well lets give him a commission. What about the other ragheads that have done the same thing to there comrades in the desert. Of course this is a country that has became so accepting that it would elect Barrack Hussein Obama, another name that has more in common with the terrorist then his own people. And guess what it will happen again, cause as long as the govt allows them in the military they will always have the risk of it happening. Of course there is always risks but when u allow such people in at such a time as now your just asking for trouble. I am sorry that this has happened, but i am not shocked in the least and hope that the wounded recover rapidly and those that were killed get avenged by there comrades in the sandbox. One thing for sure even if military wont monitor there people the person next to the next mohammad or whoever in the ranks will.
Montana, I'm no bleeding heart liberal and certainly support our troops to the MAX. I have a son with 9 years in the service as I type this. That being said, I think you are painting some American servicemen with a pretty broad brush. I think I read that there are 40,000 Muslims serving right now as loyal American Servicemen. In WWII we had Japanese Americans and German Americans in combat. Many were immigrants or first generation Americans who fought against their own brothers and cousins. Just because one of these Muslims who was NOT a loyal American commits these acts doesn't mean that all 40,000 are going to rise up in Jihad. Frankly, I don't see where these types of comments are any less racist than comments about blacks, mexicans etc, that this board routinely condemns. I sincerely hope that by "monitor the person next to them" you are not condoning unwarranted action against a fellow soldier just because his name is "Mohammad or whoever". If so, we have sunk to the level of the radical Muslims who commit the type of acts seen at Fort Hood. I'm sure these radicals would take great delight in that, as it would only further their cause. Let the flame wars begin as I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one. Rockydog.
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The United States is made up of many peoples. If anyone whats to complain about the equal opportunity situation in the military, that blames belongs with Harry Truman.
I think when the military knew about the majors situation 6 months ago, they should have pulled him off of his duty station until they could figure out what was going wrong.
When I was in the army, I served with Latinos, Blacks, Chinese, Japanese, Native Americans and one Hindi, as well as all of the people with European heritage. Almost all of them served proudly, the ones that didn't, had problems before I got them.
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ghrit wrote: Regarding his failure to retire, that is modified when he took the medical schooling and also applied to other schools he might have attended. As with the Academies, there is an obligation to serve for a time after completion of the training. So, yes, he can retire after that contract time is fulfilled. Then there is getting passed over for promotion, which seldom happens below O-4, if I understand all I think I know.
Yes, I do recall some of this from a friendly chat I had one afternoon with a Major who was my C.O. when I was in The Sultinate Of Oman for winter '01-'02. You get/accept a promotion, it comes with some time requirements and PME ("profesional millitary education" for the laymen.  ) requirements to accept as well, which usually line you up for the next promotion, so you can do the cycle again "should you choose to accept it".
Maj. Enos, I believe was his name, great man, great leader, great cop, great for, and to, his people (as long as you were squared away that is), enjoyed working with/for him almost as much as my long-time C.O. here @ home. He was lined up for Lt. Col. when we both left Oman in spring '02.
Thx for the clarification assist there ghrit.  Much apreciated.
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I could not go above 03e when I was in the army, too many requirement that were set in stone after the Vietnam era. I did not have a college degree, one strike against me, even with good evals and having stayed up on my military education and training, that didn't matter, I was a mustang, that was another strike, then I could not make Lt Bird by the time I was 39 in the peace time army even at the max times in grade and service, that was the strike that sent me home. My battalion commander was really upset with this situation, he told me that the value of a soldier is not in his age, education or how he sprung forth in the Army, the soldier should always be retained based upon his merit, not some arbitrary set of regulations.
This Loony Tunes Major, could have and may be should be put out on disability. I don't care about the color of a person's skin, their background, their religious beliefs, any one can go nuts.
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We 3 (you, I, and your former Batalion C.O.) see it the same Jerry.
While some worth can be measured in age, classes, and training, some simply cannot be.
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Rockydog wrote: Let the flame wars begin as I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one. Rockydog. That'll be a minority of two, at least.
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I for one am going to throw the 15 yard in my mind there is no way he fired that many rounds that accurately on moving targets, these were not sheeple in a mall these were soldiers and many of them combat vets
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ghrit wrote: Rockydog wrote: Let the flame wars begin as I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one. Rockydog. That'll be a minority of two, at least.
It's at least a minority of 3, because the shooter had a reccord of behaviors of far more interest, and concern, to me, than his last name, or his religion.
While I agree some with Montana, I also agree with Rockydog.
No flame coming from my flamethrower, at least not in your direction Rocky.
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Gentlemen, Thank you for your support. RD
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Rockydog wrote: Gentlemen, Thank you for your support. RD
Hey now, no need to swear at me with that tone.
Uncle Sam wouldn't make me a "gentleman", you sure don't have to. 
Just kidding, it's all good.
I call them like I see them, and I try very hard to see them fairly, and call them as such.
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Ladies and Guys,
When I had a "problem child" in my unit, we tried to help out by almost every means that we had. If that "problem child" persisted, he was transfered or discharged. That was done at company level.
As to what this major could or couldn't of done with two loaded pistols in a closed area full of people, we will not know until the investigation is over. Even then I don't think it will be that clear.
This is a terrible tragedy that could have been prevented if the leadership would have paid attention.
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Jerry, How do you think this will play out on the careers of his immediate superiors if there was prior knowledge of his risky behaviors? RD
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She is and should be treated as a national hero. And by God someone high up better recognize and attest to this.
My Son in law is Army . He and my daughter just moved from Fort Hood a few months ago . One of the wounded is a friend of theirs.
As more is revealed we see that there were many flags that should have waved in somebody's face...
God bless all involved in this except one and may he burn in his own private hell....
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