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Folks,I often thought that at the age most of us are that we never had to worry about being taken by a con or could spot when a liar was feeding us a big blast of garbage that they made up..
Well as of recently it appears I was wrong.So I need to post a few things for everyone to read.
If you come to the HB and post about yourself,just tell the truth in whatever you care to share with us.Nobody will care if you are poor as a church mouse,own a cheap rifle and haven`t hunted once in your life.These folks here are good men and will treat everyone with respect no matter what their status in life is.There is absolutely no reason to lie about it.
On to credentials,If you come here and post that you are a Navy SEAL, Ranger,Green Beret,Scout Sniper,whatever be prepared to abck up those claims.And the same goes if you come here and tell me you have hunted in Africa countless times with one of the fifty custom dangerous game rifles you had built for each trip,be prepared to back it up.
If you come to me and tell me you are a rocket scientist at NASA or a school teacher in Tupelo Mississippi,be prepared to back it up.If thats what you do,you have no reason to care.
The problem lies in wherein a member comes on board and gains trust by living a huge lie online.Claiming to be someone they are not.Then they use that trust to take advantage of good folks who are sincere and caring by trying to help them.Now we have a problem.
Basically what I am saying is if you come here and care to tell us what you do for a living,where you hunt,what you hunt,what you shoot..tell the truth.Thats all we ask,simply tell the truth.
If you want to be a part of staff here,from now on I must ask for proof if you tell me you are a cop,a firefighter,a judge,whatever it may be that you disclose.The board has grown large enough that the credibility of its staff has to be impeccable.
Now regarding ethics and money.If you are in a hard spot and you need money and have friends here.Guys,I won`t allow anyone else asking for money on the board openly.If your rent is due and you got fired please don`t ask on the open board.Take it private to your friends if thats what you feel you need to do.
From now on,if I see anyone else asking for money for whatever excuse it may be,the post will be deleted and at best you will be warned about soliciting members for money.I am extremely serious about this as I am one of e few folks that has given money to individuals on several occasions to help them out with this and that.
There are many organizations out there that are great charities and I can plug a few of em and I do on occasion.Otherwise,if someone is here asking you to give them money,let me know and I`ll see about it or one of the other staff will do the same if you are friends with any of the guys on staff here.
Lastly,we are all adults here.Use your common sense and best judgement in dealing with other members if you are or were approached by a member here asking for money.Would you give your hard earned cash to some guy who just walked up to you on the street and said,I need money?No you wouldn`t,use your common sense.If you don`t know a person don`t fall for a scam guys..
With all this said If you see something here you don`t think is right,please notify me or another board founder or admin.I assure you we will get to the bottom of it and will do what is right involving con men,scammers,liars, and posers.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 2nd, 2008 07:03 PM |
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Interesting this comes up. Just got a blurb from my 101st buddy in CA. He is the former state head of vetrans affairs. They just picked up the president of a big community water association for fraud under the new stolen valor statutes in CA. The clown claimed to be a WWII, Korea and Vietnam vet with a MOH. Never was in the military.
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I guess I'm naive, since I tend to believe most until something happens to change that.
I can't abide a liar, especially one that lies to make himself look "better" in the eyes of others.
I think I know about the incident that prompted timber's post. I had already written this particular guy off due to his failure to do what he said he'd do.
I agree totally with timber's post. For example, when I joined the VFW, the lady asked if I'd been in Viet-Nam. Told her that I hadn't, that I was a VN ERA vet, was overseas in Turkey, but never in a war zone (lol, although the Turks did on several occasions approach our compound and throw rocks at us). The AP's were the ones that received the brunt of the rocks. She actually tried to get me to say that I was a VN vet, or otherwise, I'd have no voting privileges. Told her again that I was VN ERA vet....so I got an Associate Membership (or whatever they called it). It just ain't worth it to lie, gives you too much to remember and keep straight...hehehe.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23rd, 2008 08:09 PM |
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I am no vet of anything. I volunteered fro Vietnam, but they would not take be due to a medical.
From 1968 to 1992, I spent 3 months of about every year in the Nevada desert doing underground nuclear test. I helped develope about every major weapon system used in Viernam and later dates. Most test were a mile undergound. In the winter, I went under when it was dark and came out after dark. I recieved more radiation than any soldier, breathed more lead, asbestos, silca , diesel fumes than 95% of the poulation and was away from my family for more than 13 years total.
After the tast we would have to go back into the tunnel that was caving in and very radioactive to retrieve tested items.
Today past nuclear workers are dying at an alarming rate from radiation induced cancer and other maladies.
I have been shot at a few times and would certainly take that vs waiting for some form of cancer to take me.
I am sincerely apprecaitive of every man or woman that goes into a war zone, but I bet they would not do what I did . Just wanted to comment that there are a lot of folks in this country who have served it differntly
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Saddlesore Your cool, and the rest of you guys!!!!
I like truth, just be yourself, And get a reality check on life, we here don't need to create or lie we are who we are, and that makes being here so good
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I dont discuss credentials in online forums.
The problem is that
#1 any basement dwelling 40 year old computer nerd can say he is what he isnt.
#2 Any hard living Marine S/S will be percieved as a liar if he tells what he did/ does.
I have learned , after being kicked off dozens of forums, that its just not worth going there. Theres always some punk troll who tries pushing peoples personal buttons when mommy spends his Depakote money on Newports and lotto tickets.
My firm rule is stick to the post and only state as fact what you know to be fact.
ie I know a 405 grain cast lead slug from a 45-70 will kill a Brown bear. I dont need to kill one personally to attest to that BUT why put it in a post? When someone asks "how many brownies have you killed" and you answere zero you lose credibility.
One positive thing is that theres no percievable crater here that the trolls hang around in kicking up dirt.
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I have to reply to this string with a little humor.. Hope nobody minds...
Like the Jewish gangster in one of the Godfather movies: " I'm a retired investor, living on a fixed income". Except, unlike that gangster, I have no investments, but I do live on a very fixed income. I'd like to live long enough to get back what I paid in to SS, but I realize that's impossible. An annuity from the company I worked for helps keep the wolf from the door.
Regarding the VFW... My late neighbor, who was a decorated WWll vet, tried to sponsor me for membership several years ago. Since I went into the USN in 1956, and was discharged in 1961, I was informed that I was ineligible for Korea (too late) and too early for Viet Nam.
About the only organizations that I belong to are: NRA (endowment), and the Rocky Mountain Cartridge Collector's Assn.
I do enjoy my membership on this forum... A very broad spectrum of contributors, from whom I'm always learning something.
Good shooting, folks .
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as tw sez + 1
i also figured that this could use a "lil" bump
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I'd sure hate someone to fib about a reloading question if I was asking for some advice about a particular load. I'd hate to load something someone had only heard about after claiming they had used that load in a patricular gun etc. and find myself staring down a blown out cylinder that could've taken part of me with it. And asking for money, well I've been on a couple of forums over the years and I never saw that before. Hmmm.
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Man, I think I'm going to like this place!!!
The closest I've ever been to war is the stories my uncles would tell about WW2. One was a tank driver in the European theater and the other was a waist gunner on a B29 in the Pacific theater, he's still alive btw!
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TG,
Sound like whatever precipitated this was at a minimum deceitful. It’s unfortunate you had to deal with it. Thanks for writing in down in simple terms – Think it’s a good policy.
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Honosty is always the best policy even if the people do or dont wanna here it. If they cant like you for who you are they wont like you anyway. I wouldnt imagine why anyone would give anyone money for debts etc without ever actually knowing the person personally and well and if they deserve the help. You sleep in the bed you made, and generally people create there own problems regardless of age. As with children if you dont let them fall down they will never learn to stand up without leaning on someone else. Most likely if someone is online asking someone for money they probably used up all the friends around them already and over and over again. If they buried themselves in debt living beyond there means they deserve to sweat abit. The economy sucks, however i dont believe that reasonable people with reasonable lifestyles are living in card board boxes on the street even in the rough parts of the country. When times get tough you do what americans did for years before welfare and such, you toughen up, do with less, and do what you have to do. This isnt the 1930s were not living off jackrabbits yet. Just my 2 cents, maybe not the most christian however for this century anyways but i cant stand beggars or liars. I dont even like holloween as a kid i refused to trick or treat even cause it went against my pride to ask a stranger to give me something. Im sure that sounds quite strange but i felt that way when i was 6 even. My old man woulda worked 25 hours aday before he would take a handout from someone regardless of there good intentions.
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MontanaShooter wrote: I wouldnt imagine why anyone would give anyone money for debts etc without ever actually knowing the person personally and well and if they deserve the help.
Montana Shooter, Back in the early days of this boards existence it had a much smaller footprint and, although the site had the same friendly atmosphere, the regular group of posters was perhaps 2 dozen. They were all like minded individuals and freely traded not only ideas but bullets, brass etc. even loaned each other dies and hunting equipment. All this occurred without much thought. One member was respected for his alleged proffession and his past service. He was on here regularly as a daily poster and answered tons of inquiries in "his field of expertise". Some people on here had met him personally and did a little shooting etc with him. When he was supposedly stricken by illness and the attendant inability to work he asked for money to feed his family, pay rent etc. This was after 2 years of participation on a site that had less than 1/2 of the members we have now. In the spirit of helping a fellow hunter/shooter/ex service person/ex LEO people responded with a handout. Some very generously. Too late it was learned that this person had lied about his proffession, his service, etc. In short, he spent 2 years building his credibility and setting up his scam. Folks here felt that they did know him personally. Unfortunately several people here were very poorly rewarded for their generosity. Thus Timbergohzt's initial post in this thread. RD
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I do understand what your saying rocky dog, i just find it to be quite bold for anyone to ask or accept such kind of help even when it is offered thats all. It takes me a very long time and many tests before i call someone a friend or trust them to any extent. It is my belief that until a person has a choice between ditching you to save save himself or standing along side you with chance of shaming thereselves or worse you dont know what you got. Perhaps my standards are to high, and maybe ive met people like your friend many years ago in life and learned it myself or some of both. I hope it doesnt happen to any of you again.
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The people that I remember the most fondly are the real ones. People who were who they were. Some I liked and some I didn't but even those I didn't I remember because they had real identities. One can develop a real friendship with a real person. Those with masks on are setting traps for themselves. Their real identities come to light and then they are strangers again but with a stigma attached of dishonesty. I had much rather know a beggar than a fabulously rich person online who is that beggar in reality. We are not all SWAT, snipers, SEALS, etc etc etc. Hey, some of us have to be common laborers, ditch diggers, and sledge hammer slingers. I do all three in my job but do them quite well. I nail, clean up debris, and what needs to be done. I weld, cut, grind, sand, and paint when not working in the garden, feeding chickens, or petting my goats or wife-lol. I always have a bit of doubt when people start talking about war experiences for most try to forget the bad times when horror and human suffering is a common happening.
Meeting folks FTF and learning that we are not all seven feet tall, eat sawdust and spit out 2X4s is good fellowship. We learn that that fellow across the hill is not the SOB that we think he is but more than likely very similiar to us. wc
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well said 6. Growing up my dad, my grandfather, great uncles, they were my heros and they were soldiers in one war or another. And they never spoke of war or its travesties if at all without tears. Anyone that would speak of such things with pleasure you KNOW is lying or not human. What one did when they were 21 doesnt provide a automatic asessment for what they are when there 40, you know what i mean. Almost all of us here make or made a livig working with our hands or back i would imagine and that is America. Though the last decade i cant help but feel that we common people are once again building pyramids for the pharohs. I hope that oppurtunity for self advancement for the individual returns again one day as it once exsisted so the ditch diggers can one day dig a ditch for themselves instead of someone else. I work on a billionaires ranch, and trust me i know what rich people are like and you wouldnt wanna know them.
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