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The United States is one of the greatest countries in history. But the Chinese want to build furniture factories here in the states, apparently a great number of furniture factories. This is to keep Americans employed, so they can pay their taxes, and the U.S. government can then pay on the U.S. debt that China holds.
Why can't the U.S. do this to all of the countries that owe the U.S. tons of money.
I just don't want the U.S. repro'd by China.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 12:26 AM |
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because the liberals in washington have always wanted to give it away ...after all it's not their money ...the japanese put foreign car plants here ..in part so they wouldnt have to ship them across seas lolz
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 12:58 AM |
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I remember when VW built a few plants here in the states, this was to save shipping expense. Then companies like Honda and Toyota built factory here and VW could not compete with them for price on the final product.
What is funny, VW has a mid size car that gets 58 miles to the gallon on diesel.
I think investing in GM and Chrysler was a mistake, they can not compete with the other car makers on the planet. The Chinese have a more advanced electric car than GM does.
Bonus money, greed and not being able to see in front of their noses is what is killing business in America. Large companies should be looking down the road for the next 10, 20 and 50 years. Businesses in other countries have this fore sight, so what makes American businesses so special?
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 01:10 AM |
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umm the fed's hit them for taxes ?(read that as "sacrificial lamb/scapegoat")sadly it was the earlier clean air act that brought the demise of the bug to america for a long time,the greedy guys forgot to add the correct application of grease and took the money and run ,the cash for clunkers didnt really help the american car companies much and for years their best values have been ....yup imports [sigh]and then u have accountability but therein lies the rub ...we , the taxpayers just spent how many trillion dollars ? ummmm i want a dang good detail of that plz , preferably without pork <_<
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My current car is 85% made in the U.S., it is a Honda, made in Marysville, Ohio.
My last Ford was assembled in St Louis and was mostly made in Mexico and Canada, with pieces and parts coming from yet more countries.
If you look at some the electrical compoents of tradional car makers here in the states, you will see a company that is Arvin Diamond. They are located in Lancaster Ohio on Coonpath Road. It is 3 executive offices and a warehouse, they own the patents and license their stuff to be made in many 3rd world countries.
Since I started buying Japanese cars made in United States, I have needed less maintence on them and got a better car for the dollar.
The problem I see is the same one that China sees, how are we going to pay this debt off, the $500 Plus Billion and rising quickly debt.
China doesn't want anything to do with Cap and Trade, they put on line a power generation plant ever week.
I have told academics for many years to start teaching the children of this country to speak Chinese, they won't listen and won't until it's too late.
Jerry
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 02:36 PM |
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Our Government made the taxes so onerous, and allowed the Unions to run the pay scale so high, that now Big Business is outsourcing everything. You'd be shocked at just how much of our defense procurement is from nations basically hostile to us. Or that would fall to our enemies quickly in the event of major war. Leaving us with NO source of supply for many things.
"American" cars are anything but, and the Japanese cars aren't necessarily "imports" anymore! It's a topsy-turvy world. 
America is giving up her place as a producer of durable goods, and becoming a 'service economy' - that's usually the description of a third-world nation. So what happens when America produces NOTHING, half our people are unemployed, and many of the rest are working at WalMart? Who will have the disposable income to buy all that lead-laced plastic crap from China?
We are setting ourselves up for a huge fall. Once the other nations get tired of our government running all those rubber checks, and they begin closing the lending down....... what then, America? What service cn we offer the world? Computer/IT work? The Indians and Israelis are owning that market. Banking - the Europeans are killing us there. Domestic work..... heck, our people see themselves as too 'good' for that, and the little brown people from across our southern border have it locked up anyways.
We really need to flush the crap out of DC - BOTH sides of the political spectrum - and get some common sense in there before we go the way of ancient Rome and Egypt. They both fell to foreigners........
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19th, 2009 03:26 PM |
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The problem has become a simple one, The United States isn't number one in the world any longer. Today "Made in USA" is perceived the way "Made in Japan" was in the 1950s.
Jerry
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Just had a thought on this. How about we figure out how much everyone else owes us and then we sell it their note to china for say .75 on the dollar. We may not get completely out of debt with them but hey it would clear at least half of it and we get to clear our debt books.
Then china can go and start trying to collect from all the places that for some reason can't pay us. Heck for that matter they can go build their furniture shops there and put everyone to work.
Wonder if I emailed this to the white house do ya think they would like the idea? I mean it clears our books, accts payable and receivable. It gives china a profit and a ton of intrest bearing accts. Lastly we don't have to go play collection agent.
Just a thought. Take care Be safe Poacher.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21st, 2009 05:50 PM |
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Poacher,
I agree with idea, there are notes outstanding from WW II, plus all of those loans to many countries, probably more than the national debt, barely.
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There are lots of things we can do to get this mess straightened out, but we'll never do it.  Stop giving foreign aid to countries that hate our guts anyway. Force the unions to cut bact on beeefits and freeze wages for a very long time. In fact, a serious cut in wages might be necessary. I'm sure that'll go ove like a pregnant high jumper carrying lead triplets but the fact is, companies cannot afford paying those wages and benefits and keep their heads above water. Look at GM as one very prime example.
If wages could be brought back to reasonable levels and a reduction in "gimme" benefits, maybe our steel industry would come back to America sometime soon. Corporations who degin stuff that may work in theory like super conductors, rather than develope them they sell the designs to the Japanese who are more than willing to do the development and cash in on the profits.
If a country owes us money, make them pay the debt off istead of being pussies and writing it off as a loss.
Let's keep out noses out of other countries business. Who the hell are we to tell another country what kind of government they should have. It ain't none of our business. No wonder nobody likes us.
Congress should issue an ultimatum to big busness. bring it back to our shores or be very heavily taxed on those overseas profits. After all, thy are American compnaies. Just because they are making their money out of the country, they are still American companies and should be liable to our tax laws.
Final solution, fire those bums in the Congress that just don't get it.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21st, 2009 06:51 PM |
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Bigdog has stated the problem perfectly. We are in trouble folks. Government needs to get out of the way of the producers in America. We need to stop suporting forign companies and industries, give tax reaks to those corp.that hire top pay employees with long term jobs and so on. Go back and look at the Regan administration, thats what works. Government takeovers, and other socialist practices dont help, companies should be allowed to fail, that open up the free market for those who can provide what people want.We are taking the path that brought the old Roman empire down. I believe it is too late to turn this thing around due to the me me me attitudes of the American votors.
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Switch to the FAIR TAX and drop the income tax amendment from the Constitution. The Country CAN Operate on Teh revenue from the FAIR TAX> Buy The Boortz Book and read up on it and DEMAND IT from the Politicians. We Need Change that WILL WORK and that is one that will.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 03:17 PM |
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What I am afraid of is the VAT system of taxation. If the VAT, Cap and Rip Off and healthcare insurance Tax, I may have to leave the country to afford to buy bread.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22nd, 2009 06:53 PM |
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A VAT tax is onerous indeed, The Fair tax can, with a responsible congress replace all taxes taken from our checks now and BRING HOME TRILLIONS from where they are now trapped overseas because of our system of Taxation.
Get The Book, It is all in there. Including just what a VAT tax has done to Europe.
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The best revenue for the states is to require all countries that owe the U.S. to pay back that money with the agreed upon interest. Then make all of the companies that bail out or tarp money pay that back with interest. Then we would not have pay income or sales tax.
I do know what the Neal's idea for a Fair Tax is, but are going to kidnap the speaker of the house and read it aloud to her?
Steve Forbes has a good idea for a reasonable tax, more a flat tax, it would also get rid of the IRS. That went nowhere.
The biggest obstacle is the IRS, they don't want to give up their power. Congress is suppose to be incharge of them, but the IRS doesn't listen to congress.
Plus do you really want all of those IRS employees to be unemployed? I do, because they don't know the tax codes and they really don't care, they will flat tell you the way it is going to be.
I had a almost 3 year battle with them, I told them that for their actions I could recover damages from them of $2,500 a day. I provided all of the proof as required by law, which they already had. This was almost three years or over $2 million. Then suddenly I am getting refund checks going back 5 years,
As I have told a lot of people, the government is suppose to fear the people, not the people fearing the government.
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Dennis Keith wrote: Switch to the FAIR TAX and drop the income tax amendment from the Constitution. The Country CAN Operate on Teh revenue from the FAIR TAX> Buy The Boortz Book and read up on it and DEMAND IT from the Politicians. We Need Change that WILL WORK and that is one that will.
Agree 100%. No VAT, no income tax. Not impossible, but not likely at this point, either. IMO, won't be a reality until the economy falls completely apart, sad to say.
For those interested, go here to see...
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer
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Charlie,
It is sad to say that the economy is going in the toilet, but the American dollar right now is near worthless. 5 Years ago I could get a loaf of bread for 68 cents, that same loaf last week was $1.55.
We now bake our own. 43 cents a loaf now and it's fresh.
The problem is that congress will spend us down the river or into bankruptcy before anything meaningful will get done.
Jerry
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IMO, from what reading and research I've done over the years, FDR did more to destroy our country than any other individual in our history. We are still paying the price of his legacy, welfare Ponzi schemes, folks who would rather stay home and drink or watch TV than work, and get a check AND a place to live.
The Democratic party embraced his ideas, mostly because they knew it would keep them in power. Good for their party, disatrous for our country.
Obama is cut from the same mold.
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My neighbors across the street are misguided children of Roosevelt democrats.
Since the fit hit the shan, they haven't had much to say about their annointed one.
I hope they are realizing that the emperor has no clothes (or conscience)
When they are not talking politics, they are pretty nice people..
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I did what I was brought up to do, work hard and plan a head. Plan for retirement and not to spend too much money over the years.
In my retirement, I took some basic metal and wood working skills, turned them in some form of mastery of those skills.
This the way father and a grand father did in their lives, both died of old age and were happy.
Jerry
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