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Im new to reloading (still trying to get my first press) but after reading a bit have noticed 'legal limits' for ammounts of components to have on hand. I was just wondering if anyone could enlighten me as to what the limits are on components and if this applies to rural areas as well. Is there some particular amnount of components that once exceded has the ATF boys knocking on the door with a battering ram or is it just ordenences in some cities concerned with it blowing up the neighborhood created by folks who didnt know powder dont go boom unless contained?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21st, 2006 02:33 AM |
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local ordnances, and varies by city, county, etc. usually will have more to do w/ storage of powder for safety's sake than anything else. and, a new loader is very likely not going to amass enough powder.
there are no records kept on component purchases.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21st, 2006 02:42 AM |
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Cool. Im just kind of into stocking up on supplies I use and wanted to be sure that if I was to buy a large amount of powder, be it 10 pounds or 50, that it wasnt going to have the ATF looking to give me a rectal exam. While Im all legal on stuff and would not have anything for them to get upset about, the ATF to often just dont come in real polite and someone breaking down the door may not be well recieved, so figure avoiding poping up on their radar is the best option.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22nd, 2006 01:02 AM |
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When it comes to our loving and caring friends at ATF always remember that they only want the best for us; the rectal examination you'll get for being flagged is their way of showing how much they care! I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED I tell you to think that anyone would resent the loving attention that ATF bestows on people who still believe in the second amendment! When in doubt most reloading suppliers can let you know about any local regulations in your area. But never forget that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22nd, 2006 01:21 AM |
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My biggest concern is that since I make every attempt to stay within the law, my first thought when I hear a loud crash as the door flys off the hinges and guys with guns come into my house isnt likely to be that its LEOs. My first thought would be nut job home invaders and how quick can I put holes in them. Somehow even if they screw up and come in without you even knowing you have commited a crime or that they are LEOs they dont tend to take well to it if you shoot at them, so I just try to be sure they have no reason to pay me a visit since would certianly not want to find out how that situation played out.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22nd, 2006 01:50 AM |
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As has already been said, no records are kept on reloading component purchases. At least not on a local level.
I don't know if the same can be said for credit card records for internet or phone purchases. If a person was worried about records I'd suggest buy local, pay cash.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22nd, 2006 02:01 AM |
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It's been my expirence that despite the horror stories you hear the reloaders I know are lawabiding citizens and never encounter problems with law enforcement.However the sad truth is that there are people out there who abuse the system. The problem is that when something like that happens, we all get tarred with the same brush.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22nd, 2006 04:42 AM |
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Monkeyman
If I remember correctly about the max you can have and it has to be in some type of fire resistent shelf is around 50 pounds of powder. By and large like dakotasin hit it right on the head. For the most part a new loader isn't going to amass that much powder right off the bat.
The reason for this is that you will more than likely buy a pound and load some ammo and see how it works with what you are shooting. Then buy another pound of somthing different and see how it groups. The nice thing about this if you put some time in what you want to reload for and look at the powders you can usually find a group that will pretty much load everything you want.
After you have been loading for awhile you will find that you are buying 8 pound kegs. Another point on the amount of powder is cost. A 8 pound keg of BLC-2 is about $111.00 . Now add other factors such as primers, brass, bullets and reloading equipment you can see why most start out with just a pound of powder. By the time you get to the point of having to worry about visits you will have put alot of rounds down range.
Lastly I'm not saying that it doesn't happen but by and large the feds have alot of other fish to fry.
Take care Be safe Poacher.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 22nd, 2006 06:29 AM |
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birddogger wrote: When it comes to our loving and caring friends at ATF always remember that they only want the best for us; the rectal examination you'll get for being flagged is their way of showing how much they care! I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED I tell you to think that anyone would resent the loving attention that ATF bestows on people who still believe in the second amendment! When in doubt most reloading suppliers can let you know about any local regulations in your area. But never forget that just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. 
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 12:50 AM |
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Cool, I just didnt have any idea where the Feds might start being interested and in case it was say 10 pounds didnt want to make the mistake of haveing the money to stock up and buy 2 8# kegs and have someone on the phone or some such.
Call me paranoid, have just had a couple friends blown away by cops in the past without any real reason (the worst anwsered his door with steak in his mouth and a steak knife in his hand and was shot 14 times before he knew what was going on) so visits from boys with badges is something I make sure to make every attempt to avoid. If the limits are that high though then I would have to agree that I dont see that being a problem, but I know they decided to limit cold medicin to amounts that make having a stock on hand illegal so just wanted to be sure.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 06:18 AM |
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well, if you wanted to buy a couple 8# jugs, nobody will really care. its the storage of said jugs that get everybody all into a lather. and that is usually set by your local fire marshall. the police, atf, whatever... they don't care.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 01:19 PM |
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If you go to the Hodgon web site and look around there, they have the appliacble regulations for storage and transportation of powder, etc. Mostly it is the national fire code, which most communities adopt
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24th, 2006 03:21 AM |
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Cool, that stuff shouldnt be much of a problem around here anyhow since Im in a rural area with no codes, the head of the volunteer fire department is my neighbor and am far enouph from any other house it wouldnt be likely to be an issue even if it were contained and exploded since the nearest house is a solid 250+ yards off. With those types of limits though it shouldnt be any kind of issue at all for me. As far as the storage it will most likelyt be in ammo cans in the closet or maybe out in the barn depending on where I set up the bench.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29th, 2006 04:21 PM |
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It would be better to not store it in ammo cans taht are virtually sealed. The jugs or cans they come in are very reliable. I usually put a piece of Saran wrap over the opening of the jug before I put the cap on to insure agood seal.
I wouldn't store in the barn if there are big temperature excursions. Heat is abig deteriorator of powder
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