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Ok, it is starting to sound like it is not worth it to reloead, i can buy 20 223 rounds at walmart for $6, is this so?
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Yes, you can buy .223 for $6.00 per 20 round box most anywhere, however your cost to reload 20 rounds is substancially cheaper than $6.00. It all depends on how much you shoot. If all your going to shoot is a few hundred rounds a year, then no, it most likely won't be worth it to spend whats necessary on reloading equipment. If your shooting is going to involve several thousand rounds, then it's worth it. Also it depends on your personal financial situation, and how much you will enjoy reloading as a hobby. If you look at the whole process as work that in itself will deter you from reloading. If you find it rewarding you will be more apt to do it. Most guys here reload for several different calibers, and are involved in the hobby for more than cost saving reasons. It's like photography, golf, or any other hobby. What you spend, and how deeply you get involved depends on your personal intrest. Only you can determine what that is. Bill T.
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Another thing to consider is if you choose not to reload, and only shoot factory ammunition, save your brass just in case you change your mind about reloading. If you don't you can always sell the brass to someone who does reload and in the process recover some of your expense. Bill T.
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Also, if you plan to reload, the first purchase you make should be a Reloading Manual. Lee, Hornady, Lyman, Nosler and others publish them and they will provide invaluable information of the how tos of hand loading. They also give you safe, tried and true recipes for cartridges. An absolute must, unless you don't like your face the way it is.
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billt wrote: Another thing to consider is if you choose not to reload, and only shoot factory ammunition, save your brass just in case you change your mind about reloading. If you don't you can always sell the brass to someone who does reload and in the process recover some of your expense. Bill T.
I want to make my own bullets that is for sure..I like custom..Wish i coild make my own firearms even..
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vdospec wrote: billt wrote: Another thing to consider is if you choose not to reload, and only shoot factory ammunition, save your brass just in case you change your mind about reloading. If you don't you can always sell the brass to someone who does reload and in the process recover some of your expense. Bill T.
I want to make my own bullets that is for sure..I like custom..Wish i coild make my own firearms even..
Is there a electronic manual of any kind? a Open source Freebie Manual of any kind??
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Depending on what type of powder you choose to go with, You can go to their website and download free load data. It is not a bad idea though to get a book. They contain a wealth of knowledge. You can go to Hodgen's website and they will send you a free book. It is not as good as a reloading manual, but it does contain a lot of good loads.
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Force_Recon_Marine wrote: Depending on what type of powder you choose to go with, You can go to their website and download free load data. It is not a bad idea though to get a book. They contain a wealth of knowledge. You can go to Hodgen's website and they will send you a free book. It is not as good as a reloading manual, but it does contain a lot of good loads.
What is there Web site address?
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I bought IMR 4198 power and 55 Grain Sierra bullets and Winchester primers for small rifle
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Just a word of warning! 4198 is not a good powder for ARs. Sometimes it will cycle them sometimes it will not. It however does make some very accurate loads in bolt guns.
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Well a guy that I know who has been loading for years told me what to buy and said that 4198 was a good common power to start out with..and he owns 3 AR's. there could probally be quite a few reasons why there are problems, but if you can use military Ball rounds, then this should work ok.
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18.8 is the reccomended starting point and 20.4 is the max. It is only my opinion but if I were only going to use one powder for .223, I would use Varget. It gives you the best velocity that you can get out of a .223.
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Yeah I know and the people that have used it will argue all day that it works fine, but it doesn't work in all ARs. It doesn't work in either one of mine. A fellow Highpower shooter was at the range a couple of months ago practicing and was having hell with his rifle, it wouldn't cycle, eject properly or feed a new round.
I gave him 5 rounds of my ammo, his gun ran perfectly. His problem was a 4198 load.
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Since you have all the components to reload for go to your buddy and have him help you load some rounds till you feel comfortable. He should have some good load data as well as manuals you can look at and compare with. You've taken the first step and thats what counts. A good reloading book is mandantory though. It gives you max pressures for a reason and as a new reloader I would caution you to stay in the boundries for now. There are older loaders who play outside of the max pressures but they have been around the block a time or two. Sorta like a 6 year old on his first Huffy vs Lance Armstrong.
I was told years ago that there are two types of reloaders. One reloads to shoot and the other shoots to reload. There are reloaders that find a good load use it because it saves them having to buy ammo all the time and it saves some money. Then there are people to enjoy the fact that they can spend the time and make a load that will shoot a 1/4" group at 300 yards. To them they get as much fun out of "tweaking" loads to their rifle as they do shooting it. You have to figure out which one you are and understand that if ya do this long enough you will flip between the two.
Welcome to the world of reloading. This is somthing that is very rewarding and will save you money in the long run. Once you get those 20 rounds shot up and load them over again you'll start to save money right there. Once again Welcome and we look forward to your posts on your first reloads.
Take care Be safe Poacher.
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72coupe wrote: Yeah I know and the people that have used it will argue all day that it works fine, but it doesn't work in all ARs. It doesn't work in either one of mine. A fellow Highpower shooter was at the range a couple of months ago practicing and was having hell with his rifle, it wouldn't cycle, eject properly or feed a new round.
I gave him 5 rounds of my ammo, his gun ran perfectly. His problem was a 4198 load.
Fow now I purchased this powder on the advice of my freind, i did ask on here what to purchase but no one really gave me any answers just brands. I went to gander mountain and met him there and we looked up in teh manual what i could use.
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72coupe wrote: Yeah I know and the people that have used it will argue all day that it works fine, but it doesn't work in all ARs. It doesn't work in either one of mine. A fellow Highpower shooter was at the range a couple of months ago practicing and was having hell with his rifle, it wouldn't cycle, eject properly or feed a new round.
I gave him 5 rounds of my ammo, his gun ran perfectly. His problem was a 4198 load.
I will look inot Varget next time, so i guess the 4198 is no good then. How about for 9mm?
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72coupe wrote: Yeah I know and the people that have used it will argue all day that it works fine, but it doesn't work in all ARs. It doesn't work in either one of mine. A fellow Highpower shooter was at the range a couple of months ago practicing and was having hell with his rifle, it wouldn't cycle, eject properly or feed a new round.
I gave him 5 rounds of my ammo, his gun ran perfectly. His problem was a 4198 load.
What are you using then for powder and bullets and casing then may i ask?
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