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I just wanted to ask some of you more experienced loaders, Why do some people say never tumble loaded ammo and some say it is ok? What are the dangers or risks involved. Just curious.....
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I have had people tell me that spitzer bullets might hit a primer just right, and have a cartridge pop. I have others tell me hat tumbling will cause the powder charge to move againbst itself, and grind it to a popint that burning characteristics will change.
I do not believe either is a likely scenario. I just cannot see a bullet hitting a primer hard enough to fire it in an average tumbler. Even if it does, so what? Anybody here actually watched a handgun, rifle, or shotshell cartridge discharge without being in a chamber? The bullet jumps a couple of inches, if that, and the powder flashes. It ain't like the movies. Nothing to contain the pressure, not much will happen.
For changing burning rates, perhaps if you tumbled a cartridge 24 or 36 hours straight it might change the physical characteristics enough to change burning rates. Maybe if you tumbled a cartridge loaded with the old, late 1890/early 1900 type semi smokeless (Not THAT old, just read about it) powders, that were very soft and crummbly, it might happen. I don't beleive modern propellents will break up and change with a small amount (15 to 20 minutes) of tumbling.
I do sometimes tumble loaded ammunition to remove the last traces of case lube. I have never had an issue with it, and I believe it is perfectly safe. If someone else is uncomfortable with it, they shouldn't do it!
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Thanks Charley! I have never tried it but was curious to other peoples thoughts and opinions. I agree with you on the primers being struck. I dont see how it could be possible.
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I don't tumble loaded ammo for the same reason I don't size a loaded case-----The one in a million accident would be with me Those who want to take a chance are on their own----BTW----tumbling whether in a tumbler or in the truck bouncing aroung in a box not only can but WILL effect ballistics how much time is needed????Don't know for sure -----try to avoid any more trouble than I need
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F.R.M., I've done it many times. Was never worried about a primer being hit hard enough. Never tumbled FMJ's though... Still don't think it would be a problem but I never thought about the powder aspect ! Charley, you made me think. I never have tumbled a loaded cartrige longer than an hour though. Hoashooter, I know what you mean. I've had a couple re loading accidents and learned from them. I hope I don't have a round pop in my tumbler someday. Agree it wouldn't do much but don't want to buy another either. I rarely do it anyway but....
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I'm weighing in a little late here, but if the powder is fairly compacted into the case, I dont see how the powder kernals/flakes, etc., can get loose to rub against each other. In a light charge of say, Bullseye in 38 special, might cause trouble. Someone try it for about 24 hours & report back on the .38s! FM12
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I tumble and clean my brass before I load it.No reason for me to do it anyway.
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That's the best avatar I've seen yet. Coz's is still killin me though...
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I am really going to like this forum. Over on FalFiles, this subject has caused more than one flame war that rival's the intensity of the sun. Looks like this crew knows how to keep their skivvies outta they crack.
I've never had occasion to consider tumbling loaded ammo. I am not convinced it would hurt anything. I shall avoid it if for no other reason than that already stated. If it CAN go wrong, it WILL go wrong where I am involved.
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I am really going to like this forum. Over on FalFiles, this subject has caused more than one flame war that rival's the intensity of the sun. Looks like this crew knows how to keep their skivvies outta they crack.
We could have a flame war if you want. Just say the word, and I can call you a poopookakapeepeehead. Might not be the same, though, if you have to ask for it. I'll do it, though, just let me know if it is needed...
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Charley wrote:
We could have a flame war if you want. Just say the word, and I can call you a poopookakapeepeehead. Might not be the same, though, if you have to ask for it. I'll do it, though, just let me know if it is needed...
poopookakapeepeehead LMAO. Now thats funny. 
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I don't understand why you want or need to tumble loaded ammo. I clean my cases before loading, not because I am worried about whats on the outside but what might be stuck or accumulated on the inside. Mostly I worry about case lube mixing with the powder or ruining the primer.
I read many many many years ago (so long ago I don't remember where) not to tumble loaded ammunition. So I don't. Ever!
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Never tried it. I was only curious. I have just heard stories of, Yes its ok, No its never ok. Just wanted to hear all of your thoughts.
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I have tumbled lots of loaded ammo with no problems. the reason was due to the discoloration of the brass after being stored for a while. after finding what caused the dirty looking brass -----it was the RCBS sizing lube it is water based. now my loaded ammo stays looking new I use 2 cycle oil just a drop on finger and rub on case.
I have also used cooking oil with no problems.
But I read on another form that factory loaded ammo is tumbled prior to boxing.
I tumble first then deprime & size then trim then clean primer pockets.
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"But I read on another form that factory loaded ammo is tumbled prior to boxing" HMMMMMMMMM,makes you wonder
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this is reply to all: factory tumbles military cart are not tumbled because the inspector wants to see the color of neck annealing.powder is hard try breaking a grain.I tumble on occasion to clean loaded rds.I recently did my sample cart as they got stained then sprayed them with clear poly.its amazing what rumors can get started.
 
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WILDCATT schreef: this is reply to all: factory tumbles military cart are not tumbled because the inspector wants to see the color of neck annealing.powder is hard try breaking a grain.I tumble on occasion to clean loaded rds.I recently did my sample cart as they got stained then sprayed them with clear poly.its amazing what rumors can get started.
Powder is hard, yes.
This does not go for the graphite layer on the kernels, unfortunately.
If this graphite layer is rubbed off by what ever means, I think your powder charge is not anymore what you had in mind when selecting the charge for your purpose.
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the graphite is not a surface deterrent.it is for ease of manufacture,if i remember right.sounds like i am gonna load a round a couple rounds with different types of powder,run a week ,oull them down and check the powder.i have tumbled some military ammo that i picked up just to display.the stuff i load doesnt need any more.
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I have always been thinking, and also did read it on several occasions, that the graphite has a certain influence on the burning characteristic of the powder.
If so, removing it will change the load of your cartridge, if not, things are a lot easier.
I prefer to stay on the safe side.
Paul.
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i think that graphite is not a surface deterrent.think i will try to find out for sure,cause i am a curious sort of person.
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