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Hi, I'm in the UK, & looking for a custom load for Fox. I've made myself a re-loading press just for this purpose, a bit like tying your own fly to catch the trout.
My favourite load, (Shop) is 2-3/4" No-1's, 1-5/8th oz, in 12g. Want the satisfaction of loading my own, so I need a bit of advice from you Americans over the pond. I favour No-1's. I'd rather go for pattern, I think that's the killer.
Willing to take a bit of advice on cartridge/powder/primer/case/shot size. What works for you, I know your into Varmint big style, someone must have a custom load, something you have balanced out at, pattern/distance. I can up to 3" mag if need be, wouldn't be a problem.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2007 02:42 AM |
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I'm not a shotgunner to any great extent, but isn't 1 5/8 oz in a 2 3/4 inch hull a prety heavy load? With my flint fowler, I always figure pattern will beat velocity any day. I gues that is your experience as well.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2007 01:10 PM |
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Had to do a little research here - British #1 Shot, that's .14" diameter, right? That would be #3 Shot by our numbering system, pretty scarce here.
What I like is a load of 1 1/2 ounces of T, TT or F Shot (.20", .21" or .22") in a Federal One-Piece (2 3/4") plastic shell, a Winchester 209 primer, Remington Wad and 38.0 grains of Blue Dot. That's for the Federal One-Piece only. Not for any other shell. The Federal One-Piece is a large volume shell, appears to have no basewad.
Those components may not even be available to you, I dunno. Our "T" Shot would be your "AAA" size. (I think ). The heavier shot extends the range by quite a bit, the 1 1/2 ounce shot charge permits a higher velocity. That load works for me, in my guns. Good for anything from 'coon to coyote. With a smaller shot size, whacks the crap out of Turkeys.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2007 01:12 PM |
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Thanks for the reply Charley, yes your right it is a heavy load. We use the rifle a lot on the permission we have, but certain parts you can only use the guage, put this down to the fall of the land.
Wanting to push the limit so I give myself the the best advantage, sometimes the max range is only 60-70yds. I know thats pushing it a bit with the 12g, but I think you get my jist on this. And yes I'm with you on pattern, I convinced it's the killer over velocity.
Just though someone would have had a load for the same reason, & give me a head start on this, if not I'll have to experiment a bit.
Cheers,
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Must have posted near the same time 45 Colt, I'll have to make inquiries about those Federal cases. I see you recommend a larger shot size, while you'll see I'm a fan of pattern, but I'm willing to give it a try.
I don't think the Blue Dot will be a problem, I've heard of it over here. Down to a bit homework,
Thanks for the reply,
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Joe, I use the heavier shot because a lot of my shots are a longer range than a shotgun should be reasonably expected to make, mostly on 'coons that are using my bird flocks as a lunch counter. Shooting is at night with very poor light. I use several different loads, that one just came to mind first.
Our #4 or #2 shot, #4 just slightly smaller than your #1, #2 slightly larger, also figure into some of my loads. I like to stay at 1 1/2 ounce or less so as to keep velocity at or above 1,200 FPS at the muzzle. Blue Dot or Hodgdon's Longshot are pretty good heavy load powders.
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One trick I learned to make a tighter pattern is scotch tape.
Put one turn of scotch tape around the bottom of the wadding slits. This holds the wadding closed longer down range, thus holding the shot together longer before the tape breaks, allowing the wadding to open and the shot to spread.
Learned that trick from an old soldier. A former European sheet champ.
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Thanks for that little tip Mortis, certainly worth considering, I'll have to have a few tests when I start reloading the 12g. Just made myself a reloading press for this purpose, so I cannot wait to try it.
Many Thanks for all the replys,
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Mortis - that tape thing works real good for something like handicap Trap - used it years ago when I still shot competetively. Should maybe work for a long-range fox load, like Joe wants. A trip to the pattern board would tell.
Joe, you built your own loader? Just out of curiousity, why? "Just because I can" is a good reason. Actually, I was wondering if presses and such are hard to come by there. If you have a picture or two, it'd be interesting to see what you came up with.
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Thanks for your interest 45 Colt, I'm a Toolmaker by trade, seemed the right thing to do. I know I could have bought one, but a custom built one to me, is like tying your own fly to catch the trout.
Presses aren't hard to come by here, I was going to buy a Hollywood press off Ebay a while back, but it gained to much interest, & sold for a hefty price tag, then I would have had the shipping from the states aswell, another reason I decided to make my own.
It's late here now in the UK, tomorrow I'll take a few pictures & post them here,
All for now,
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As promised, a couple of Pic's,
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Thanks for the pics. Nice work, very nice.
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I assume the powder and shot are measured and added to the shell as seperate, off-press operations?
That Hollywood press you were looking at on e-bay, those things are fairly rare, and their value (price0 is high because of antique status. Some folks collect them.
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Yes thats right 45Colt, I'll add the shot/powder later, also got a roll turn over tool to finish off the cartridge.
Going to experiment with the scotch tape at different ranges with the gun I'll be using, is it only once round the case with the scotch tape, or a bit of trial & error, & do you cover the whole plaswad from top to bottom, or leave a little bit of the plaswad exposed at the top?
Thanks for the comments,
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Bazooka Joe wrote: "is it only once round the case with the scotch tape, or a bit of trial & error, & do you cover the whole plaswad from top to bottom, or leave a little bit of the plaswad exposed at the top?"
Thanks for the comments,
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BJ......
Once around the bottom portion of the wadding where it splits. Basically half of the wadding split will be covered. Only need 1 turn of the tape. the more you put on, the longer it will stay closed. Also....it adds thickness to the overall dimension of the wadding. One round is no big deal.
But you can experiment all you want.....just make sure you have no problems inserting the wadding in the case.
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Mortis wrote: Bazooka Joe wrote: "is it only once round the case with the scotch tape, or a bit of trial & error, & do you cover the whole plaswad from top to bottom, or leave a little bit of the plaswad exposed at the top?"
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BJ......
Once around the bottom portion of the wadding where it splits. Basically half of the wadding split will be covered. Only need 1 turn of the tape. the more you put on, the longer it will stay closed. Also....it adds thickness to the overall dimension of the wadding. One round is no big deal. But you can experiment all you want.....just make sure you have no problems inserting the wadding in the case.
Thanks for the detailed reply Mortis, I'll keep in mind your advice when I'm in the feild on test. Would it be worth considering going up in shot size using this method, ie; being able to hold the pattern longer?
BJ.
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BJ...
I have no idea how shot size is going to effect patterning other then logic says that regardless of shot size...the tape should break apart roughly at the same range every time based on:
How the tape is applied.
Type powder creating specific muzzle velocities.
Quality and freshness of tape.
Specific type/style of plastic wadding.
Change any of those factors and the spread point will change.
Hope that gives you some perimeters to experiment with. Make good notes so you duplicate your results as closely as possible.
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The only time I used the tape was with 3 Dram Trap loads, with wads that held the full charge of shot. Taped on the lower part of the wad, worked great with YelloWads, which are an extinct breed now.
I loaded up some 1 ½ ounce loads of #4s today, using the RP12 wad, taped and untapped for some, and using a BP wad for some others. The RP12 only holds 1 ¼ ounces of shot, the rest riding above, the BP holds a full 1 ½ ounces. The BPs are unslit, slit them yourself. I Slit some full length, 4 slits and taped a few, the same with others except 2 slits and ¾ length slit.
I have my own range, and was able to pattern this afternoon. The tape on the Remington and 4-slit BP wads put about 3% (actually, just a little less) more shot into a 30” circle at 40 yards than the untapped wads did. The BP 2-slit wads were the best of all at tightening the pattern.
My loads, my gun (Wingmaster, 28” fixed Full choke). Other combinations will probably perform differently.
I think the most important thing said is:
Mortis wrote:
Make good notes so you duplicate your results as closely as possible.
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Thanks for the detailed reply's, all taken in, & will be kept in mind while I'm on test. Looking for distance mainly, & I cannot wait to try the scotch tape, I think I'll start with that first.
Cheers,
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