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Anyone know who sells cheap 410 shells. Or a good plsce to get them i just got a new 45/410 pistol and need to start feeding it. Thanks in advance for any help. Pat
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| Posted: Wed Sep 5th, 2007 06:23 PM |
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Ain' t none. You can find 12 and 20 gauge cheap, but never .410. Besides, I have af eeling after you shoot it a few times, you are not going to be needing a whole bunch
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Ok thats what i was afraid of. But its not too bad to shoot. we shot it a little bit this weekend and it was alright. Ive shot a lot worse. Thanks for the info. Pat
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"Cheap" and ".410" don't come anywhere near each other. WalMart sells promotional Winchester and Remington dove and quail loads for $4 plus change around here, their .410 stuff is $8 or $9.
If you shoot enough of them, a MEC 600 Jr for $125 or so might be worth looking into.
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I will think about a press, after i shoot it a little more. I am wanting it for a coyote gun. So dove and quail loads may work and that is cheaper than other stuff i have seen. Thanks, Pat
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When I worked at the Remington plant I hated running the 410 press! The thing is a 36 position nightmare!!! On a good night, I'd only get 65,000 of them made(compared to a 12 gauge press making 1,000,000+). The only machine harder to run was the 8 gauge press.
We don't have any cheap 410 shells at GanderMtn, and we're having difficulty get slugs in 410 at this time?
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Ok I thought i would ask but it just seems like these little critters are expensive. Oh well i will just have to live with it. Thanks again. Pat
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Charley wrote: "Cheap" and ".410" don't come anywhere near each other. WalMart sells promotional Winchester and Remington dove and quail loads for $4 plus change around here, their .410 stuff is $8 or $9.
If you shoot enough of them, a MEC 600 Jr for $125 or so might be worth looking into.
Opps, I left out the 12 and 20 gauge after "promotional".
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I read an article about using 444 Marlin shells in place of 410 shotgun shells. Seemed to work out very well and used felt wads and a cardboard top cap sealed with liquid glass.
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Just go to MidwayUSA and order 25 brass .410 cases, can prime them with a Lee or RCBS hand primer, they use large pistol primers.
Plastic shotcups will be a bit small, but you can take care of that with an over powder card.
No crimping, just glue a card wad on top the shot.
The cases will last a long time, you can load from #9 to the factory, 3 , 000 buckshot.
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Thanks that sounds like a great idea. What do you use to glue the over cards in with and what kind of cups do you reccommend. I have never done this before.Where can i get load data. Thanks Pat Last edited on Thu Sep 13th, 2007 08:07 PM by barebackpat
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I use Elmer's carpenter's glue, others use hot glue, I suppose just plain white glue would do fine.
The powder and wad would depend on what you can find, I got some shot cup/ wads at a gunshow, the fiber I use over the powder is from some 35 year old Alcan 20 ga wads, I just break up some and use a wood dowel to pack about a 1/4" on the powder.Universal, Herco, 2400 all should work, just check some older loads and start light, work up to the velocity you want.
Most anv velocity over 1200fps is a waste of powder in shotguns unless you are using slugs.
The really poor BC of a ball sheds velocity like a persian cat shedding hair in May.
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Thanks drinks i appreciate it. I found some fiber wads in midway maybe i will try some. I just got home and had three raccoons in my apple tree. Using 4 shot my little pistol got the job done. The pattern sure spreads fast with just that 3 inch barrel. Thanks again I may have more questions a little later on. Thanks Pat
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Drinks I was just curious how you are planning to decap those shells after you fire them? Any help would once again be appreciated. Thanks Pat
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Pat, I have a Lee loader for .30-30, the decapping rod does fine but a rod could be made of a 50 or 60 d nail by filing or grinding it to a flat point and then grinding or filing it to about .070" for about 3/8" length.
If you have the Lee hand primer, one of the shell holders in the set will work, but I have replaced a primer by just starting the primer in the pocket, placing the case , base down, on a smooth flat surface and using a wood dowel and a plastic hammer, drive the case on the primer.
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Ok thanks for the advice. I will look into that. I think i can get primers in ok it was just out that i was worried about. Thanks again. Pat
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One more quesstion. Has anyone loaded number 4 buck in the brass 410 cases and have any load info for it? Any help would be great. I think these shells are going to work great in my little gun now that i have a sizing die and stuff. Loaded a few last night to try out today will let you guys know how they work. Thanks for all the help so far. this shotgun reloading is kinda new to me. Pat
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Pat, I have been playing with the .410 on another forum, worked up a slug and loads for it, for use in a open choke .410, such as the Snakecharmer, would not be much help in your .45/.410.
I also developed a load using 4, .34" balls, using a op wad of 1/4" of nitro card, cut the wads from 20ga wads with a 7/16" hollow punch, use 12 gr of Herco and a top card wad, I am now using nail polish to stick the top wad, much faster drying than the Elmer's.
Velocity was over 1500fps and at 15 yds all 4 pellets hit in a 2" group.
I am going to start on shot loads next, but managed to hurt my knee and have missed being in the shop the last couple of days.
Using a Federal 410-SC plastic wad/ shotcup over the 1/4" nitro card wad gives a good seal with no smoking of the outside of the cases, the factory wad/shotcups are quite a bit smaller than the brass cases and will not seal by themselves.
A .30-40 or .303 Brit. shell holder works to hold the cases for priming.
I shall report after a bit more work.
It gripes my German/ Scot heart to pay $1.30 for slug loads when I can make my own for 6 cents and pay .52 cents per shot shell when I can make them for 11 cents each, shot I have to buy, I cast the slugs.
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Sounds good. Thanks for the advice. I havent shot the few i loaded last night probably get to it this afternoon. I appeciate the help and all of the info you have given me so far. Thanks again. Pat
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Pat, I have a nice slug load for .410 open choke shotguns but it would probably not do well in your pistol which should be .452" the .410 open choke I have is .413", if a person wanted to use it with a full choke .410, most of them are, I would make a "X" size mold, .397, rather than the "Z" size I made, .413. I measured a full choke .410 and it was .395.
I started with a 2 hole Lee mold for a .356 pb rn used u,v, w, x ,y and z bits in succession to open the mold out, then drilled it .850" deep.
I did keep it centered, bullets drop right out.
Using 12gr Herco, a 1/4" nitro card wad and a card stock top wad I got 2" groups at 15 yds and a muzzle velocity of 1500fps avg, I drilled the base 9/32 x 1/2" deep, weight is then 190 gr and I had no keyholing.
Using 4227 I should be able to get it up to 1700-1800 fps with no problems.
I have now worked up a shot load, using the same 12gr Herco, a file card wad on the powder, a Federal 410sc wad and sleeve unit, a Lee 2.8cc dipper, which holds 210gr of shot, I counted 190 pellets, and another filecard wad on top, sealed with nail polish, I got 94 pellets in a 8x11 1/2 " target at 15 yds and 22 at 25 yds with the open choke.
With my full choke Western Field, I got 85 at 15yds and 37 at 25yds, I found the sxs shoots low and all the shot was in the lower 1/3 of the paper, I need to get some butcher paper and find out where it is shooting.
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