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I am sure some of you folks can help, I am thinking of using #4 buck over my trap loads w/AA hulls. Just because I have a lot of #4 and I wanted to use it up. Do I need to do anything special? Polymere beads, etc? or should I forget the whole thing?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 2nd, 2009 05:41 AM |
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i dont believe you need the buffer , u may have to add card fillers to make the crimp good but if i recall right the loading was differnt than trap loads ( my new shotshell book is buried in the garage ) but the lyman #3 shotshell book list it with and without buffer , buffer taking even more steps and a differnt set of components,the simplest one being win 209 primers aa hulls a waa12R wad,24 -#4 buck and 24.5 grains herco or 27 grains sr4756 ( for 1272 fps 10,400 lup and 1263 fps 9,500 lup respectfully ) so no i cant say that i would advise using the same loads with #4 shot yes but not the #4 buck
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| Posted: Fri Apr 3rd, 2009 01:43 AM |
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halfdiamondc, I've done a lot of shotshell loading but never anything under #2 shot. I know that some buckshot loads are buffered in an effort to help the shot flow through the choke. I personally wouldn't worry about shooting buck through a cylinder bore but wouldn't be as comfortable with a full choke. How did you propose to measure it? By weight, volume, or the number of shot? I'd probably consult a good shotshell reloading manual. I like the Lyman for odd loads. RD
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| Posted: Fri Apr 3rd, 2009 02:59 AM |
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I really haven't worked out the details, my trap loads are pretty basic- 1 1/8oz shot. win.452aa powder 3 dram eq. wwa12 wads (cups) and 7 1/2 shot. Was either going to count or go by weight thinking my old mec charge bar wouldn't work, but I am still in the head scratching stage, but I am happy for any help.
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I have a book from ballistic products called slug and buckshot manual. I couldn't help Jerry in the "looking for slug data" topic but I think It will here. you said AA hulls...
here we go you have two options with this hull.
1.primer:win 209
powder:win 540 29.5gr.
wads:BPGS+BP ranger wad+ 1 1/8" 20ga felt wad in shot cup
shot: 1 3/8oz lead shot
pressure:10500
velocity:1250
2.primer:win 209
powder:DuPont 800-X 23.5gr
wads:BPGS+BP ranger wad
shot:1 1/2oz lead shot
buffer:fill spaces
pressure:9900
velocity:1225
oh and here's another i found
"AA baby magnum"
primer:CCI 209
powder:win 571 33gr.
wads:BPGS+12ga Teflon wrap+2 12ga 1/4" felt wads inside wrap
shot:1 1/2oz lead shot
buffer:fill spaces
pressure:10200
velocity:1200
as far as i know the only special precautions is don't shoot buckshot out of any thing tighter than full. But I wont even go that far. The only time Ive reloaded buckshot is with a friend and then used it a year later at the farm on a couple raccoons. The gun had a cylinder choke in.
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Man! I'm getting more ideas than I thought possible. My biggest problem is Win. 452AA is not available, I have an order in for Hodgdon titewad hdht, there is nothing on the shelves at Cabellas in Idaho same at Bi-mart in Ore. all componets, loaded shells (rifle), powder, primers, etc. are not available, signs of the time I guess, But thanks for the input.
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I've reloaded buckshot for years. In response to your question, you don't need a buffering agent, but I've found that it does help with patterns, irregardless of choke.
I don't think I've ever seen a load using AA452; most loads call for a powder with a burn rate in the neighborhood of Herco, HS6, 7625, ect.
As far as loading by weight, ect.....most have you count out pellets. For #4 buckshot, 27 pellets seems to be the norm. Basically, I weigh out the powder charge, load the wad, count the correct number of pellets, then crimp.....it's really that simple.
As for BP's buckshot loads....you can load all those fiber wads, ect., but it is really more complicated than necessary.
Load up a few and have some fun, but make sure to take plenty of targets to the range with you.....buckshot is HARD on targets (and target holders and backstops as well! )
Good luck............
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Thanks again, this the kind of info I was looking for, just trying to keep it simple. You said regardless of the choke, all of my 12ga. are full have you ever tried it in a full choke? we are shooting 'yotes from a helichopter and store bought #4 buck is pretty steep. thanks again!
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Once again, you'll have to pattern your gun to find out....I have some that shoot fine with a full choke, and others that shoot tighter patterns with a more open choke. Realize that buckshot is a close range choice....if your hunting yotes out of a chopper, you might want to opt for a rifle.
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Rifle from the air is not legal here, but we have been doing it with shotguns for about 30 years, my biggest concern was damage to the gun. thanks
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452AA has been discontinued for a long time. If you want a light load, as in a trap load with buckshot, plug in 19.5 grains of Green Dot. Fill the WAA12 cup with #4 Buck - it should hold 21 of them if I remember rightly - but no more than 23. That's with a Winchester hull and primer. 1,200+ FPS. Don't use buffer with this load.
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And the good news just keeps on coming, there are so many ideas out there and I really like yours but every one has been very helpfull, thanks all.
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just the waa12r RED 1-1/2 oz shot wad they have at midway I have used win dbl a's hulls for every load out there from 7/8 to 1-5/8 and just loaded 100 rnd of 00 buck with dbl A's i use blue dot powder for the mag loads .
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=646729
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.45 COLT wrote: 452AA has been discontinued for a long time. If you want a light load, as in a trap load with buckshot, plug in 19.5 grains of Green Dot. Fill the WAA12 cup with #4 Buck - it should hold 21 of them if I remember rightly - but no more than 23. That's with a Winchester hull and primer. 1,200+ FPS. Don't use buffer with this load.
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This one looks familiar. I use 19.0gr Green Dot, WAA12 wads, and 22 4B, with BPI buffer. Just curious, why do you not use buffer on this load? It doesn't appear to cause pressure problems, and makes a big difference with patterns.
This is a real good fox load, and works well on groundhogs causing problems in areas that make rifles risky.
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