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Has anyone came up with a good SASS load that is easy and cost effective?
And Has anyone used brass case's and loaded smokeless powder?
I have never loaded shotgun before but have a loader and I am going to start!
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I use the same load for Cowboy shooting as for trap......WAA hulls, 1 1/8oz wad/shot & whatever powder that load take from loading manual....forget what powder bushing I use. I also use reclaimed shot from our range that was mined...it is an odd mix of whatever is used at the range. But we only need to knock down steel mostly so it's fine. I have't heard of anyone using anything but the holy Black for brass shells on our range.
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7mmdrops-em.......don't let nobody talk you into cutting yer bbls back and take out th choke.....if you have mandatory knockdown steel targets lots of times the cyl bore won't do the job especially if they is a bit far out.......I use a ddbl bbl hammer gun an old Stevens' M225 with 30" bbls choked F/M & they ain't no handicap at all.......
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From what I've just dug up on the 'net, you're in for an adventure.
Wads need to be separate opver powder, cushion, adn over shot (roll-crimped lightly), in 11-gauge for a 12-gauge brass hull.
http://balisticproducts.com/
is a good place to start looking for the right components, adn they MAY even have a guide for brass shotshells and loads.
http://www.ballisticproducts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=00BBRASS
Brass Hull Info Brochure $2:
Component choices for loading black powder in a brass shotshell. Also a directory of where to go to purchase brass cases, tools and loading info.
The sell Magtech and DoubleDown hulls as well.
Apparently RCBS makes a sizing die,I assume for use in a std. metalic press. Unable to locate it yet.
Primer's are not usually 209 style/size primers, I think they use pistol primers.
Here is a post I pulled from castboolits forum:
Buck1, what do you want to know about loading brass shells? I have been loading them for years. First and foremost, unless you are loading BP brass hulls are far more trouble than they are worth. That being said, if you must then know this:
1. You will need three kinds of wads: over powder, lubed compression, and over shot. These need to be 11 gauge not 12. Brass hulls are thinner and therefore require larger wads.
2. Brass hulls usually use large pistol primers. Do not use large rifle primers. LRPs are too hard and a shotgun firing pin will not reliably set them off. Been there, done that. If you are using BP, a LPP will more than get the job done.
3. Deprime with a tool made from a wood dowel just small enough to enter the case and a small nail driven into one end and a hole drilled into the other just big enough to allow the primer pocket to rest in it when it is inserted into the case. Set the case over a block of wood that has a center hole drilled in it for the primer to drop into. Insert the tool nail end down and using a plastic hammer, drive out the old primer. Now reprime by setting a primer anvil up on a flat part of the block and set the case over it. Insert the other end of the dowel, hole side down over the primer pocket. A few firm taps will set the primer.
4. Measure out 90-110 grains of 2F BP. (90 grains is about a 3 dram load and will give you about 1200 fps with 11/8 oz of shot. Pour this into the case.
5, Set an over powder wad on this and using the dowel, press it home snug.
6. Place a lubed cushion wad down on the powder wad. You will have to experiment to see how many of these you need but in the end, after the shot is added, you need to be about 1/8 from the mouth of the case.
7. Add your shot charge.
8. Put an over shot card on the shot and press down firmly. Now mark the card with a Sharpie indicating the load and top the wad with enough Elmer's White School Glue to cover the card wad and partially fill the case. Set aside to dry.
That's it. After firing, be sure to wash the case in hot soapy water and to dry completely before reloading.
Since these cases are not sized, (that is a whole other deal in itself) they will work in just one gun; the gun they were first used in.
Wad pressure is not important with BP, neither is a crimp or much else. The Elmer's will dry clear and it will easily blow out of the case upon ignition.
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RCBS part number 99060:
Price $ 84.95
COWBOY SHOTSHELL DIE 12 GA-BRASS CASE This die set allows you to use your single stage press to re-size and de-prime a 12 gauge brass cases, then install the large pistol primer and after gluing in the over shot card, roll crimping the mouth of the case for quick and smooth feeding of the round. All other operations are to be done by hand or on a single stage shotshell press.
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OldStuffer wrote: From what I've just dug up on the 'net, you're in for an adventure.
Wads need to be separate opver powder, cushion, adn over shot (roll-crimped lightly), in 11-gauge for a 12-gauge brass hull.
http://balisticproducts.com/
is a good place to start looking for the right components, adn they MAY even have a guide for brass shotshells and loads.
http://www.ballisticproducts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=00BBRASS
Brass Hull Info Brochure $2:
Component choices for loading black powder in a brass shotshell. Also a directory of where to go to purchase brass cases, tools and loading info.
The sell Magtech and DoubleDown hulls as well.
Apparently RCBS makes a sizing die,I assume for use in a std. metalic press. Unable to locate it yet.
Primer's are not usually 209 style/size primers, I think they use pistol primers.
Here is a post I pulled from castboolits forum:
Buck1, what do you want to know about loading brass shells? I have been loading them for years. First and foremost, unless you are loading BP brass hulls are far more trouble than they are worth. That being said, if you must then know this:
1. You will need three kinds of wads: over powder, lubed compression, and over shot. These need to be 11 gauge not 12. Brass hulls are thinner and therefore require larger wads.
2. Brass hulls usually use large pistol primers. Do not use large rifle primers. LRPs are too hard and a shotgun firing pin will not reliably set them off. Been there, done that. If you are using BP, a LPP will more than get the job done.
3. Deprime with a tool made from a wood dowel just small enough to enter the case and a small nail driven into one end and a hole drilled into the other just big enough to allow the primer pocket to rest in it when it is inserted into the case. Set the case over a block of wood that has a center hole drilled in it for the primer to drop into. Insert the tool nail end down and using a plastic hammer, drive out the old primer. Now reprime by setting a primer anvil up on a flat part of the block and set the case over it. Insert the other end of the dowel, hole side down over the primer pocket. A few firm taps will set the primer.
4. Measure out 90-110 grains of 2F BP. (90 grains is about a 3 dram load and will give you about 1200 fps with 11/8 oz of shot. Pour this into the case.
5, Set an over powder wad on this and using the dowel, press it home snug.
6. Place a lubed cushion wad down on the powder wad. You will have to experiment to see how many of these you need but in the end, after the shot is added, you need to be about 1/8 from the mouth of the case.
7. Add your shot charge.
8. Put an over shot card on the shot and press down firmly. Now mark the card with a Sharpie indicating the load and top the wad with enough Elmer's White School Glue to cover the card wad and partially fill the case. Set aside to dry.
That's it. After firing, be sure to wash the case in hot soapy water and to dry completely before reloading.
Since these cases are not sized, (that is a whole other deal in itself) they will work in just one gun; the gun they were first used in.
Wad pressure is not important with BP, neither is a crimp or much else. The Elmer's will dry clear and it will easily blow out of the case upon ignition."
I would not have thought about the pistol primers being a problem but I can see it now. I also have an old hull roller though. I usually shoot in the black powder categories.
Are you all buying the overshot cards somewhere or stamping them out yourself? Someone suggested cereal boxes as the ultimate material at a SASS shoot; has anyone else ever heard of this? I have been using hot glue to seal my brass hulls. What did they use in the 19th century? Sealing wax?
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