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I have the rifled slug barrel for my 870, it is a Hastings 12g 20 inch Rifled barrel, for 3 inch shells. I have to get it out to practice for deer season around here. Will this work?
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NS-For the 1 1/8 oz round balls in real short barrel Steel
will work.45gr. It will be 90% used up in that length.
And it will get you good velocity with the least damage
to the wad cup and less expansion of the base cup
compared to faster shotgun powders. You can use 100gr
RE17 even in short barrels with round ball also.
Either powder get 17-1800.
Jerry- Yes the 870 with a rifled slug barrel will do
fine with slug loads that I tested in my regular
Savage rifled slug barrel. If your casting round balls
use the round ball loads above. If I use any shotgun
powder at all in 12ga,10ga, 8ga, etc, it is the
Alliant Steel only. But so far RE17 I like best.Ed
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how much Steel powder do I use to get 1500 fps? I like reduced recoil loads.
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I am getting a Mossberg 395 is that a possible candidate for heavy fierce critter loads.
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In your shorter 20'" barrel about 42 gr. The loads I quoted
above are in longer barrels. 6" extra barrel means at least
a 100 fps extra.
The 395 ,495,595, 695 actions are plenty strong enough,
if you get them with heavy enough barrels. The
695 I tested here came with a .93" muzzle, rifled barrel. Ed
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The company kindly gave me few US-S slugs to test at high speeds.
I had helped him test another slug a while back.
He sent me some each of the 570 gr, 700 gr, 970 gr.
I tested the 570 gr so far and in 3.5" plastic case in the 1887
smoothbore 35" barrel and in the NEF rifled 36" barrel at
1900 fps. I got that with 130gr of RE17 with one BPGS
seal under the sabot on the slug. The bottom of the sabot seal
is exactly like a BPGS, so a BPGS added gives double sealing.
Both smooth and rifled gave 3 shot 3" group each at 50 yds with
peep sights and bad eyes. This slug does as good as advertized
in smooth barrels, and smooth accuracy is as good as rifled.
My smooth barrel is tight, measuring 723" at muzzle.
These should be a great deer and hog slug. Folks need to
ask their dealers to work to import these for them
to have what seems a good slug to reload...
On another note we may have found a guy who is gearing up
to make 10 ga rifled barrels. I'll know later this winter
If so I will put one on a bolt action and use the 4.1" long
10GA FH case I made or get some like it from RMC..Ed
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Here is picture of the US-S slugs in a lineup
with other 12ga slugs I'm testing. Lefteris was
kind enough to send me a few of each weight
to test. They are the 3 in second row on the right.
They are 570gr, 700 gr, 970 gr. I tested 570gr in
3.5" plastic so far. At 1900 in the NEF rifled, and
in the 1887 smooth barrel, got 3" group on both.
With peep sights an bad eyes.So the US-S slug
is great in smoothbores, as good as rifled. My
smoothbore on the 1887 is .723" bore at muzzle,
a nice tight fit for smooth slugs. The smooth
bores Lefteris tested them with are .722" muzzle,
and they've already killed 5 wild boars, one shot
kills with the 570gr slug. Also if anyone wants a
heavy smoothbore new 12ga barrel, .722" muzzle,
1.375" outside diameter to make a great slug
gun with slugs like these, and others like the
Brenekkes, I have spare one. The US-S slugs
are smoothbore accurate in my 87 like the
Brenekke KOs.In the picture the left two cases
are 3.5" Fiocchi with the Fiocchi magnum primers.
I compared that primer to the REM 209 primer and
it has about the same strength.Next two are FED 3.5".
then 2 12GA FH 3.85" cases, then 3.5" RMC brass, then
3" RMC brass, the 2 WIN 3.5", then 2 REM 3.5".ED
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can you give me an exact load?
hull (preferably federal 2 3/4")
primer
powder (Steel, 700x, or 800x)
slug (1 1/8oz .69 round ball)
wad (the ballistic products LB12)
velocity
pressure
It would sure help me out.
P.S. I found out 1 1/8oz RB has a hair higher pressure than 1 1/8oz lead shot.
P.P.S. If you are bored and need something to do, I would like this loads pressure tested. You don't have to if you don't want to.
Fiocchi 3 1/2" hull
Win 209 primer
BPI Multi-Metal 3 1/2" wad
34 grains of bluedot
1 1/2oz steel shot
fold crimp
Expected:
pressure- 13500-14000psi
velocity- 1350-1400 fpsLast edited on Mon Oct 26th, 2009 01:00 AM by Novashooter
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I don't pressure test here I have to send it
to Ballistic Research. You could that yourself.
In 2.75 case load you ask about use 40 gr Steel if the
wad has a cushion base. Should be around 1300
and 12,000 psi.Ed
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hubel458 wrote:
I don't pressure test here I have to send it
to Ballistic Research. You could that yourself.
How much does that cost?
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where do you get your brass huls from? are they the type that uses a large pistol primer or do they take 209 primers?
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It cost about $25 for 5 shots.
Their phone- 1-815-385-0037 ask for Tom Armbrust
He can test cases up to 3" when we did it before.
The brass cases are from-Rocky Mtn Cartridge(RMC)
Dave Casey owner- 1-307-5879693,
tell him length you want and tell him that
these are for slug shooting,and you want heavy
the heavy sided ones that he does with extra
thickness on bottom half of the cases a stronger
inside radius in the bottom for less expansion at more
pressure.
They use shotgun primers which are a
little stronger than rifle primers.EDLast edited on Mon Oct 26th, 2009 05:48 AM by hubel458
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hubel458 wrote: It cost about $25 for 5 shots.
Their phone- 1-815-385-0037 ask for Tom Armbrust
He can test cases up to 3" when we did it before.
no 3 1/2" shells?
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You'll have to ask him. He may have 3.5"
set up now.Ed
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I got the 700H 3.25 case feeding from the magazine I set
up on the Montana Rifle Co PH action. It is singlestack with
feed lips similiar to 12ga shotgun clip style magazines I
had here. Works great, shown in first picture. Now it is longer
than regular 12ga mags, but same setup would do for feeding
long brass 12GA FH and long MRC 12ga cases. The
700H 3.25 is 3.9 inches overall loaded length. In picture
case is ready to clear the mag lips, then rim pops up under
extracter as bolt is moving forward. Second picture is
the box used that I made out of two PH boxes. That allowed
for extra height and fit for singlestack and riveted together.
Used a Savage 210 12ga follower and spring. ED
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aren't those bullets a bit soft to be used on an animal at that velocity? It seems they will just blow up on contact.
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Novashooter wrote:
aren't those bullets a bit soft to be used on an animal at that velocity? It seems they will just blow up on contact.
Terminator, and Brenneke slugs seem like they would work the best for this.
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Those are soft jackets I test,and if hunting use
on deer and hogs.If I was going to Africa I'd
get full jacketed ones. These being soft expand
and mushroom nice and they stay inside my backstop,
without going through on to where I might not
want them.EdLast edited on Thu Oct 29th, 2009 06:46 PM by hubel458
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Ed,
Nice rifle,
Jerry
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The 700gr US-S slug in smoothbore, at 2000
in a 3.5" brass case, got a 2.5" 3 shot group
at 50 yds. Great slugs they have come up with
for smoothbores.
Some of us talking about getting 10 ga rifled
barrels made, here is a picture of my 4.1" long
brass 10ga I made from 50cal Russian by putting
on a rim like the 12GA FH is built.Just a prototype,
third in picture. Later I'll get RMC to make some,
as it is much easier way. First in picture is
16GA FH 3.5" long, 2nd 12GA FH 3.85" long,
3rd 10GA FH 3.1" long, 4th 8GA FH 4.3" long.Ed
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