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Now I would like to start planning out my danergous game rifle.
Another toy, 
Jerry
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I now have a variety of 12GA FH test guns including
two Savage 210s in the lineup...SO I'm selling the first
12GA FH that I did on the Savage 210 bolt action.
Its in original Savage stock now, 28" Pacnor rifled barrel.
Stock is weighted and double thick recoil pad.
It is chambered for the original 3.85" long 12GA FH case.
750 plus shipping, included 4 of our long cases and
30 slugs.That is the first 12GA FH built on a Savage
and the second 12GA FH ever built. Pickup here for MI
guys ok also. Savage 210s are now 550 bucks, the heavy
rifled barrel cost me 350 bucks..Ed
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Sorry about post above sounding as
if I'm in gun selling business. I'm not.
It is just one I don't need and hope to
help someone else get a big blaster,while
getting funds to continue research.
I can't edit it so hence this post.
Hope this explanation is ok.EdLast edited on Tue Nov 10th, 2009 12:00 AM by hubel458
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ummm i actually dont have a problem with it but ...lolz u mite should post it in the 4 sale section n put a link to this thread on it so those who havent read it gets a chance  ,personally i find it fascinating as heck !and i'm glad u share it with us !
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Well I got it in classifieds now. Ed
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and i added the link for ya ! good luck amigo
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According to the writings of the old time elephant hunters even the 8 ga. lacked the desired penetration on elephants. Also the 600 nitro express lacked penetration and didn't kill as well as the .500's and .470's. The problem being excessive diameter which had to displace too much flesh, which limited penetration, at least on elephants.
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8 guage? Might as well fill a pop can with lead and launch it. Had to be a shoulder wrecker.
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Matthew in Oregon got the 12GA FH Savage.
He is now in the recoil club.
Here is picture of the 12ga belted cases I made to
test a few loads in. I made it from 55cal belted
Boys case. I reduced belt diameter a little and left
the base the same, which is 12ga size.In picture
first is 55cal, second expanded to .620", third
expanded to .660"(16ga), then two 12 ga ones.
Next is our 12GA FH, and then a 12ga 3.5"
plastic case.A little work in long 12ga FH chamber
with a tool for belt step and it chambers. Ed
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Here is a picture of US-S brass slug after going through
3 foot of wood slabs in a bundle. It has shed its plastic
base and it went through straight without tumbling.
This one is 570 gr fired at 2200 in RMC case, from NEF.
Also in picture is one with white sabot petals off, as it
would be in flight, before hitting target.Ed
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Where do you get the slugs?
Jerry
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The company in Greece is working to get
dealers with import licenses, redtape stuff,
set up here to sell these to reloaders.
They gave me a few to test as I had tested
other ideas for them before.Hopefully soon
they will get suppliers going.Ed
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Ed,
Up here, like in Canada or Montana?
Thanks,
Jerry
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Jerry-I don't know if they are planning on
Canada.I'll encourage them to get set there.
With the new state dept rules after 9-11
it is terrible getting anything related to
shooting sports into or out of the US.Ed
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4bore work. Working on design of firing pin,
and waiting for parts now. Problem is getting
real small parts without CNC for bushed
firing pin with rebound spring. But it takes
time.
We will have swaged lead 4bore slugs
in a little while as my barrel is smooth. They
will be 1600gr hollowbase, when done,
a hundred of them at least.
Got wads and cards, shown in the picture with 4bore
cases and slugs. And my 2bore case for comparison
Also 12ga wads for comparison..Ed
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Our cartridge work and experimenting got a nice
write up in # 470 Nov/Dec International Ammunition
Journal. Page 10-11 by Zach Weighman, a
cartridge collector and gun nut friend.
I got a guy who now takes BMG cases and for a rim
puts on the high base cup from a plastic case. He turns
base/rim of bmg case about .008" and use JB Kwik to hold
it on. Pushes it on with press. He removes base cup with
heat gun from plastic cases,
He is using RE17, so shotgun primers will work, and he
puts bushing in case for primer. Has bushing reamed so
the primer pocket protrusion on the base cup goes up inside
tight, as he pushes on the base cup. It'll fire ok and to size it
do like I do, I push case into open top die, and push it
back out from the top with a rod and hammer. That
way the rim don't get bent up. He says it saves a lot of
time not having to make rim pieces.
We will have more info and pictures next few weeks.Ed
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Here is a picture of a BPI sabot with a BPI Flexseal I
use on to it in place of the original cushion seal.
I also cut shallow slots in the outside at the bottom
of the petals. Sabot opens much quicker and seems
along with BPGS seals under it to work ok without
damage, giving high velocities. In pic on left is regular
BPI sabot, behind is one I put a cushion on from a
Brenekke KO slug, and in front the one with Flexseal on.
The slug in it is one a guy casts at 440 gr and .504"
diameter, and works ok.
New info on my 499HE, from now on we will make cases
out of 450 #2 brass, as Jamisons has 3-4000 cases,
and it seems no one has the 475 #2 we used first.
Only slight case dimension change is the base .012"
smaller, all else is the same. I'm getting reamers redone
and will be able to use in couple weeks. Case will still have
plenty of taper to extract easy in singles, doubles,
falling blocks.etc.
And speaking of falling blocks I found one, and put my 585HE
in it, and it is big enough and has enough clearance to be used
for a 577NE, 600NE, long 20ga, my long 16ga FH,
the 700H, the 700HE. Cost no more than Ruger, with barrel
figured in. Will have pics
and info soon. Ed
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Here is picture, Falling Block I found that I put
my 585HE in. It didn't need any work on the
feed trough to feed. 585 case shown in it.
In fact the trough is big enough
and the action big enough for 600NE, 3.5" 20ga
brass, 3.5" 16ga FH brass, my 700 HE long case.
I reworked a NEF stock to it, as I'm not
a stockmaker.Nice action.2nd picture is
of the 16GA FH in the feed trough.Ed
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Here is picture of the FBW falling block with my
700HE long case in it.This falling block is 1.5"
wide, with a 1.125" wide breach block.
The sides are .187" thick next to breach block.
This compares to about .165" say for a Browning
B-87, Win copy. The feed trough would work with
12ga size rim if some work was done on the top
of the hammer. This has a barrel thread length of
1.005", thread diameter of 1.125" for good
strength. Ed
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My older brother is advocating using a 50 BMG projectile in a BPI Sabot with a bolt action set up to be a 12 gauge cartridge rifle. A unique combination, may not be practical, but would be interesting.
Jerry
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