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209 primers
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 Posted: Wed Feb 22nd, 2012 05:01 PM
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I'm converting some of my side lock muzzloaders over to a Mag-Spark 209 shotshell primer adapter nipple. Which brand of primer and powder would be best for this application?



 Posted: Wed Feb 22nd, 2012 10:37 PM
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WOW!
Most go musket cap first from the 11's
I cant answer the question..
But i will like to ask one.
Were you having ignition problems with the side lock?

I used to until a long white bearded gentle man at the range asked me if i could take criticism..
Yes i can..
He went on to tell me how to properly load a side lock.
this was a few years ago and i have never had a misfire since
with the side lock and standard cci caps. No more delay fire or hang fire either. just 1 BOOM.
The clean burn winchester tripple 7 209's work excellent in the boys inline.

We used to use TC 1000 bore butter lube,, but with some testing found that it was the major cause of the dreaded crud ring.. quit using it and no more crud ring in any of the guns.

This is the ring you feel when seating the back up round bullet. or when you clean it.

Only your gun will know which powder it likes.. my side lock loves pyrodex rs
and the boys inline hates it .. but loves 777
his likes saboted bullets and mine likes powerbelt copper295gr.
When you convert you may need to test a couple to see what it likes

Last edited on Wed Feb 22nd, 2012 10:40 PM by swampratt



 Posted: Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 12:32 AM
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I would let the gun decide - not sure about your conversion, but in most inlines, different primers can make a huge difference in group size.



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 Posted: Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 01:17 PM
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Swamprat,
Having no problems with ignition, Just want to see if I can tighten up my groups using a closed type system.



 Posted: Thu Feb 23rd, 2012 02:33 PM
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Very good then.
always the quest for better groups.
I must have put 400 rounds down the barrel of my .50 cal cva bobcat
1:48 twist before i setteled on the load that worked best.
which was actually the first load i tried...
90gr pyrodex rs with 295gr powerbelt copper hollow point.

clover leaf group the first time out ..thought i missed the target with the last 2 rounds until i walked out and took a look.
Then i tried to outsmart myself.. drilled the barrel for scope mounts and tried 2 different scopes.. groups were terrible..played with other loads many many round balls.

I actually cut leather wads from thick leather to put under my patched round ball..cut the groups in 1/2..awesome.

But eventually took the scope off went back to powerbelt 295's. and my groups came back..never got another clover leaf..planets were setting just right that day for me.

I did discover bullet choice and powder choice make the most difference in my gun..my son's 1:28 twist hates that powder.
and loose powder was more accurate in his inline.



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I switched from using ffg in my inline. And went to the blackhorn209 - Federal 209a primers. 300 gr scorpion pt gold bullets. The powder is so much cleaner burning and less clean up and less corrosive. Excellent accuracy.



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ircaver, They make a special 209 Muzzleloader primer. They aren't quite as hot as a standard primer but are much hotter than caps. IIRC they were having trouble with regular 209s developing enough pressure to start the ball moving before the powder got going. Not really great for consistency of burn. Also the standard primers really crudded up the ML breechplugs etc. RD

Check this link:http://www.chuckhawks.com/winchester_777_primers.htm



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 Posted: Mon Mar 26th, 2012 06:17 PM
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Thanks to all for your posts and to RD for the link to a very good and informative page from Chuckhawk. I am now in a quest for the "Holy Grail" to find out what combo works best. I have found zero data online on side locks & 209/small rifle primer adapters sooo... When I get around to doing some testing with a Cronograph, different conical projectile configurations, powders, barrel twist rates and lengths, etc., I'll post the results of my testing.



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