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buckskull
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Posted: 14 September 2007 11:19 PM |
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| I recently purchased a 270 for my son to use for an elk hunt. I know that the 30-06 or 300 would be a better choice for elk, but if the child has trouble shooting and results are poor groups, what good is it really. I am looking at the 150 gr Hornady interbonds or interlocks, I have had good luck with these in other calibers, or the Nosler 150 gr. Accubonds or Partitions. What do you guys think?
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Posted: 15 September 2007 01:50 AM |
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I have never hunted elk and I can only speak about partitions and interlocking.
I don't think there would be much difference between a 270 and 30-06 150 grain partition. My hunting partners always went with 150 grain partitions in their 270's and 30-06 while I went with the 200 grain partition in my 30-06's. We pumped them up to the max with powder.
Their deer looked the same to me when I examined the damage, including the gut pile.
The interlocking is a very old bullet like the partition. I only recently began taking animals with it using a 25-06. I was very impressed with a deer kill with it. It will travel through 6 inches of green tree no problem.
But my vote is for the partition in the 270.
I hear great things about the accubond and interbond but have no field experience with them.
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Posted: 15 September 2007 03:21 PM |
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The 270 Win with the 130 or 150 gr Nosler Partition will take any Elk you find . The 150 gr Nosler Part is comparable to the 180 gr in the 30 cal. Load the 270 Partition 130 or 150 , which ever your rifle likes the best and don't look back. H4350 is a good powder for these bullets.
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Posted: 16 September 2007 03:03 PM |
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I have owned a 270 all my shooting life, while I have never had the chance to hunt Elk I will carry one if I ever get the chance, I think I would opt for the 150 cause them Elk are a large animal, you should have your boy read Jack O'Conners books about big game and the 270, good read and explains alot about hunting, mainly bullet placement. Good Luck to you and your boy.
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Posted: 16 September 2007 08:20 PM |
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I have hunted elk and shot quite a few. A 150 gr .270 is not like a 180 get 30 cal.
However I would use the 150 gr partition with max load of 4831. They sure won't bounce off an elk. If you opt fro a130 gr which I don'r reccommed , at lesat go with a TSX or some equivalen
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Posted: 27 September 2007 09:57 PM |
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| I have a friend who has made one shot kills on a nice 6x6 elk and an outstanding caribou of some sort (I DON'T KNOW MY CARIBOUS). And all he has ever used is the good ole reliable 130 gr. Nosler Partition. Oh and by the way, he is a pretty fair shot.
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Posted: 3 October 2007 05:22 PM |
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Thanks to all of you who responded. I now have no second thoughts on the .270 and feel it will be a great round that my son will enjoy shooting for many years to come.
Thanks again!
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Posted: 30 October 2007 05:34 PM |
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| The apache guide I had last year said he hunts elk with his 270 using commercial ammo he buys at walmart.The 130gr bullets dropped them with one shot in the neck.
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Posted: 31 October 2007 02:24 AM |
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| The 130 or 150 grain Nosler Partition will kill any Elk on this planet
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Posted: 31 October 2007 03:49 AM |
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| Jack O'Connor proved what the 270 loaded with a 130gr bullet could do to all of the N. American Game.
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Posted: 31 October 2007 02:34 PM |
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Jack Oconner was probably a lot better shot than a young teenager starting to hunt. It's alot more of where you hit them than with what, A bad placed shot from either a 130 gr or 150 gr .270 is going to give you a lot o ftrouble, but the 130 gr more so.
A 22 long rifle wil kill anything in the lowew 48, but that doens't make it a superb elk cartridge
s for the Indian guide using a 130 gr Walmart in a neck shot. That about says it all for the caliber oft the guide. I doubt a teenager can effectively place a neck shot
Use the 150 gr partition
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Posted: 31 October 2007 03:06 PM |
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| It really depends on how much training a teenager has had I trained my son to shoot a 22 rifle then a Rem 870 20g wingmaster ,a 243 then an 06 and he placed his shots.I watched a YHEC teenage shooter at the NRA Whittington Center use a plain barreled Rem 870 field shotgun smoke every target that came out of the bank of machines.A friend trained his sons to shoot at a young age. His oldest son was on the rifle team at Kings College where he defeated shooters from Annapolis and other colleges,his younger brother was a member of the Purdue Shotgun Team and defeated colleges across the country. Last edited on 31 October 2007 03:09 PM by sako06
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Posted: 3 May 2008 03:02 PM |
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I've used the 270 for everything from little whitetail to Alaskan Moose. One shot dead critter. Used the Nosler Partition for many years got the job done. Now I use the Barnes 150 and I think judging from the wound channels that it does a better job. But what the heck dead is dead. Frank
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Posted: 4 May 2008 01:59 AM |
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i am in full agreement with saddlesore 10000%
and rl-19 is also a good powder to look at
unless you are the last 5 elk my boy has shot with it and the 150 partition
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Posted: 4 May 2008 08:23 AM |
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i would buy a box of cheap 130 gr and load several with a starting load.have him practice offhand. a milk jug full of water is a fun target at 100 yd.when he gets good enough load some 130 gr TSX.the 270 will push them to over 3000 but aint no elk gonna get over a good hit from one that started at 2800.the important thing is to get the shot where it counts.he needs to hunt within his limitations.if he is not ready you might hold off for a year.you want it to be a good experience.
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Posted: 6 May 2008 08:24 PM |
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I hope he limits his shot to only as far as he can hit a soccer ball sized target. An Elk can go a long way with a less than fatal shot. Shot placement is very important on an animal the size and toughness of an Elk. I've killed Elk with 7mm mags, 30-06s and 338 mags. From ranges of 75 yds to over 350 yds, and have been on numerous hunts with other hunters. Shot placement is # 1 but don't underestimate the caliber and bullet construction it's just as important. I don't believe I've ever gone big game hunting with a rifle I haven't shot at least 100 times and wrote down and memorized it's trajectory out to 500 yds, also if that rifle didn't shoot 1 1/2 MOA it stood home.
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I was raised on Jack O'Connor books and magazine articles. He, although a proponet of high velocity, stressed accuracy and bullet placement. He was a very experienced cool shot, so a .270 in his hands was deadly on most game. Thanks to his stories I purchased a 270 and my first Mule deer was shot with a 270 with a 130 grain Remington core lokt bullet in Gunnison Colorado.
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Posted: 8 May 2008 02:22 AM |
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| I have a friend who was hunting & killing CO elk with a 6mm Ruger #1 but he was well trained by his father.He's older now so he hunts with a .308 & can still place his shots in the head or neck.He's never stopped fishing or hunting & owns several hundred acres of forest with bear & whitetail plus grouse,pheasant & turkeys in his yard. Last edited on 8 May 2008 02:31 AM by sako06
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Posted: 9 May 2008 12:07 AM |
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I realize this thread is somewhat old, but I'll take part.
I've had a 270 all of my hunting career. I've never hunted an elk with one but I would. The partitions and TSX are excellent bullets for elk, and quite frankly, I do not believe an elk would know the difference in 20 grains of bullet weight when it's heart and lungs are shredded.
I am of the opinion, based on length of bullet, that a 130 TSX would do just as good if not better, than a 150 partition. One, because it is faster, and 2 b/c in my experience, it is much more accurate, on average.
I also think your son would be a better shot with a little less recoil, not that it is a big difference.
Any 4350, 4831 will do. I use just as much Re19 and 22 with equal or better results.
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Posted: 9 May 2008 12:25 AM |
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| Lots & lots of practice at all distances.When we had our private range we'd shoot at 100yds but as we honed our skills we shot at targets further way up to 400++ yards so on trips to CO I was comfortable taking 600+ yard shots.Can't do it now as we don't have any ranges where we can shoot 400,500 or 600 yards all we have is 100 & 200 yard ranges.
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Posted: 28 July 2008 11:53 PM |
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Barnes Triple Shock 140 grain Boat Tails will fold up your quarry without a problem.
Barnes delivers when it comes to Big Game without any problems. I would take it Elk hunting without batting an eye, but you need to get your child to practice, practice and practice before any bullet will do any good.
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