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Dutch325
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Posted: 30 October 2007 07:45 PM |
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Howdy, I'm sure this is one of the top 5 newbie questions, but I did a few topic searches to no avail.
What is the shelf life for primers?? I've been reloading only .38 special for about a year and getting ready to change to .45 ACp. My brother gave me some Winchester large primers in the boxes that have been well stored for 10 years. Too old, or good to go??
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wolfkill
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Posted: 30 October 2007 09:57 PM |
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They should work fine. You did say "well stored."
I'm still using primers from 1991 after the last "Clinton primer scare." Yaaa I was one of them hoarding them and I still am since the second half of that nightmare duo pulled her head out of the slop bucket.
I have read where even soaking primers in oil to make them inert will work for awhile but they will eventually dry out and go boom again.
I think theres some guys on this forum still shooting WWII ammo too...talk about hoarding.
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Charley
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Posted: 30 October 2007 11:12 PM |
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Stored in the legendary cool, dry place, primers will keep almost indefinately. I've got primers that are 20 yeras old, and they work fine. I've shot a fair amount of preWWII ammo (Hungarian 8x56R, 1930s production) with 100 % success.
Storage conditions are the key.
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Dutch325
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Posted: 30 October 2007 11:27 PM |
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Thanks for the input. I guess I didn't think it through. Loaded ammo lasts and lasts, so why should individual non-seated primers be any different. This should be fun!! 
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NUshooter
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Posted: 18 November 2007 07:54 PM |
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An FFL dealer that I am freinds with told me that the Federal Govt has asked primer manufaturers to develope a way to make primers have a set shelf life. He said that the companies have complied and found ways to make the primers degredate but they cannot control the rate at which they go bad so they have shelved the idea.
I am not a conspiracy nut or anything like that and I took what I was told about primers with a grain of salt. I did Email all the companies making primers and ask the very question you did, what is the shelf life, they replied as everyone here has. keep them cool and dry and you will have no problems.
The same FFL dealer also has told me that in the near future you will be required to pay an ammory tax and be registered if you have more than 500 rounds of ammo on hand.
Again I took it with a grain of salt but it is a lot easier for the Govt to control ammo than it is to control firearms. I don't worry about it but I like to stay up on any and all rumors that may affect my love of firearms and how I use them.
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Posted: 18 November 2007 08:11 PM |
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Every once in a while I drag out some .45 auto that I loaded in 1966, guess what?- it goes off just like newly loaded ammo. Ditto for some 1920s .30 Mauser pistol rounds. As far as an armory tax, how can this be enforced?? Barring a house-to-house search, who's gonna know? Referring to another string that asked how the armed forces would act in the event that confiscation were ordered by some future government, I think that our greatest concern should be about your friendly local SWAT.
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Posted: 18 November 2007 08:26 PM |
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NUshooter wrote: An FFL dealer that I am freinds with told me that the Federal Govt has asked primer manufaturers to develope a way to make primers have a set shelf life. He said that the companies have complied and found ways to make the primers degredate but they cannot control the rate at which they go bad so they have shelved the idea.
I am not a conspiracy nut or anything like that and I took what I was told about primers with a grain of salt. I did Email all the companies making primers and ask the very question you did, what is the shelf life, they replied as everyone here has. keep them cool and dry and you will have no problems.
The same FFL dealer also has told me that in the near future you will be required to pay an ammory tax and be registered if you have more than 500 rounds of ammo on hand.
Again I took it with a grain of salt but it is a lot easier for the Govt to control ammo than it is to control firearms. I don't worry about it but I like to stay up on any and all rumors that may affect my love of firearms and how I use them.
This story has been making the rounds before the internet even started out!
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Posted: 18 November 2007 09:11 PM |
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| I have some Reminton primers from when they were packed in wooden trays and brown paper. Still good. Must be from late 40's at least
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Posted: 7 December 2007 07:37 AM |
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| I am using a lot number of a specific primer in my 270 Winchester that has been out of production for 30 years. The load still groups around ½moa, and I shot a muley at 602 yards, lasered, this year, so they must still be working just fine. Regards, Eagleye
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Posted: 7 December 2007 11:52 AM |
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Charley wrote: NUshooter wrote: An FFL dealer that I am freinds with told me that the Federal Govt has asked primer manufaturers to develope a way to make primers have a set shelf life. He said that the companies have complied and found ways to make the primers degredate but they cannot control the rate at which they go bad so they have shelved the idea.
I am not a conspiracy nut or anything like that and I took what I was told about primers with a grain of salt. I did Email all the companies making primers and ask the very question you did, what is the shelf life, they replied as everyone here has. keep them cool and dry and you will have no problems.
The same FFL dealer also has told me that in the near future you will be required to pay an ammory tax and be registered if you have more than 500 rounds of ammo on hand.
Again I took it with a grain of salt but it is a lot easier for the Govt to control ammo than it is to control firearms. I don't worry about it but I like to stay up on any and all rumors that may affect my love of firearms and how I use them.
This story has been making the rounds before the internet even started out!
That's because Al Gore made the internet!
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3006user I think your right on the money. American soldiers are the guys and girls from next door and won't obey an unlawful order which is exactly what it would be if ordered to attack civilians. The local gestapo on the other hand is constantly being trained to harrass,attack, brutalize and kill civilians. Beware the truely evil people in the USA are known to drive black and white cars.
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7mmdrops-em
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Posted: 15 July 2008 02:16 AM |
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I purchased about 2000 each primers in small and large rifle and pistol prior to 1981 and have loaded some of each this year without a problem!
As stated "well kept" Ammo can with silica packs in the can.
However I only use them for target rounds.
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Oddbod
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Posted: 15 July 2008 11:18 PM |
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I'm using CCI primers bought in 1982 & they perform just fine.
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Posted: 15 July 2008 11:35 PM |
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| When I was young and stupid (as opposed to old and stupid which accounts for present condition) someone gave me a box of b/p .44-40s from the 1880s. I put them away in my cartridge collection, right? WRONG! I was poor: I shot them suckers! They all went off except for 2 or 3 out of a box of 50. (They had small primers, just as a point of information.)
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Posted: 16 July 2008 03:06 AM |
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Keep your Primers in a GI Ammo can, they will last forever. Keep the ammo can in a dry cool place.
I am shooting some I bought in the 80s, they work well. I think I have some of those primers that came in the small wooden box some where around.
As to the urban legends about armory tax and set life span of primers,
this little guy tells you the validity of the story 
I think the gov was sort of trying to get Tagets (sp?) put in to smokeless powder, I think that idea has been tabled and probably in the round file for a few years now.
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Posted: 16 July 2008 12:50 PM |
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miestro_jerry wrote: Keep your Primers in a GI Ammo can, they will last forever. Keep the ammo can in a dry cool place.
I am shooting some I bought in the 80s, they work well. I think I have some of those primers that came in the small wooden box some where around.
As to the urban legends about armory tax and set life span of primers,
this little guy tells you the validity of the story
I think the gov was sort of trying to get Tagets (sp?) put in to smokeless powder, I think that idea has been tabled and probably in the round file for a few years now.
Jerry
Yep, taggants. Some ignorant beaurocrats at ATF decided that people were making bombs with smokeless propellants, and wanted manyufacturers to mix polymer (plastic) materials in the powder so they could track from manufacturer to end user. Only problem was, the taggants had a different density from the powders they were mixed in...if heavier, they sank towards the bottom, if lighter they tended to rise to the top. Your load density would change, depending on the taggants and what part of the container you filled your measure from. Imagine working up a load from the top part of the container with more taggants, and less powder. As you used the container, fewer and fewer taggants would be there, and more powder. KABOOM!
Luckily, cooler heads prevailed, and the experiment was dropped.
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Posted: 17 July 2008 06:35 AM |
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| I have a few hundred rounds of Denver '42 & '43 with corrosive primers that still fire .A friend gave me 2 30 cal ammo boxes containing some Denver '42 ammo in link belts as it was originally loaded with a tracer every 5 rounds for machinegun use by canadian armed forces but all tracer rounds were removed in 1966 and the ammo was sold to dealers for resale. Last edited on 17 July 2008 06:38 AM by sako06
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BPCR Bill
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Posted: 5 September 2008 10:26 PM |
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| So has the federal government figured out how to determine just how much ammo I have on hand?? They can't keep track of illegal aliens, just how are they going to check my ammunition quantities, short of a no warrant break-in??
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Posted: 5 September 2008 11:26 PM |
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Bill,
Get with the program, the govrnment uses satellites to scan every ones homes for primers.
I have bought primers at gunshows and from individuals, so there are no records of those tranfers. Plus I keep a great of my primers in GI Ammo cans, some vacuum packed and my work supply of primers is in a double walled steel cabinet that has a really good gasket seal.
Just remember if you don't want the gov to know who you are, never look up.
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Posted: 6 September 2008 12:45 AM |
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That's OK Jerry, I retired from the military, and I'm savvy to their treachery. I keep my primers in an empty Sherwin-Williams 5gallon primer can. Confuses them to no end.
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