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 Posted: Sat Jun 7th, 2008 06:43 PM
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    Years ago I used to load up Winchester 452 AA powder behind a 200 Gr. LSWC moving at about 850 FPS for target shooting in my 45 ACP. Anyone out there know a powder with the same or similar characteristics?

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Wow, a blast from the past.  Haven't seen a powder with that name on it since I was a kid loading shotgun shells with my uncle.

 

 

From what I can see, Win 231 is the closest in burn rate characteristics...but that doesn't mean too much.  I prefer using Unique for just about all my 'plinking' loads in the .45ACP.  And for the +P stuff I prefer the AA#5.

 

 

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Yep it is an old powder I still have half a lb left and its still good just hate to use it up, those bastards disco'd it for some reason. I have no clue why it was one of their top powders.
I use 231 in my 9mm loads but am not crazy about it, IMHO it burns to hot. Unique is way smokey .
I was thinkin of Accurate #2 or #5 whats your thoughts on those powders?



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Too much 'left over' space in the big cases for the AA#2, but the AA#5 is quite good.  You get a fairly decent burn from it(equals not much fouling), and the velocity range is pretty large.

 

Run the AA#5 in a couple of Kimbers and some 1991A1's with no problems.

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for the Info, Yea I use AA#7 in my 44 Mag Ruger Redhawk with some hot loads, after about 18 shots my hands get numb:lol:.
Speaking of old powders what ever happened to Alliants Reloader 12? I loved it for my 30-06 loads in my M-1 still got 2 lbs of it. :thumbs:



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Many years ago Hodgdon marketed surplus 452AA as "Trap 100".  I'm still shooting it in 45acp and 40 S&W from a batch I purchased on the cheap in the 80's.  Good, clean burning powder. Oddly enough I've never used it for shotshells.

Current powders of similar burn rate would include Titegroup, Zip, and Alliant Promo to name a few.  Of course different powder burn rate charts will give different answers to the same question.  In loading 40 S&W I've found Titegroup to offer similar velocities with same same powder charges compared to my Trap 100.  Good luck and hope this helps....



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Reading some of the old postings, I STILL have some WW452 (I think a 5# can but can't be sure a rats have eaten part of the paper label)  plus a cpl cans of WW473.  I never used them for pistol loadings but shot many of them behind shotshells.  Still have a cpl cases of 12 ga loaded ammo using these powders.



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This is an old post, but still relevent for those that still have or see some 452AA for sale, as I just did at a show this weekend. Needless to say I snapped the unopened 10 pound keg up.

I shot 452 in IPSC, plates and in pin matches for years. I also use it for my defense loads.

It has a very different pulse rate upon ignition and with pin loads will cut about a half second off your time, as it will for plates. Most folks load it for IPSC with a 200 cast H&G bullet where it is very easy to switch from minor to major with but .4 grains differential in powder charge. It is a great pleasure to shoot in the revolver events with a 38spl or a gun like the 625-2 (45 ACP), very quick and little muzzle rise.

You can get a brass drop out load with 4grs or a brass toss load at 5.2 grs. Then a major load at 5.6grs. If you run into a revolver match with no major / minor factors, it is very hard to beat 452 as a powder in a 625-2 with full moon clips.

For field pistol silhouette shooting it works great in the 38spl brass with the 110 or 125 Rem bulk bullet.

It is very clean and always a pleasure to shoot.

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Slingshot wrote: Speaking of old powders what ever happened to Alliants Reloader 12?

I bought the last 4 lbs of R12 I've seen, it's absolutely the best .35 Whelen powder I've tried in the last 5 years.

.45 Powder for a 200gr LSWC?  Personally I never minded the older formulation of Unique, but I also have a stock of W231 that I only use in the .45 with LSWC bullets.  Unique is a powder for someone who loads a broad range of handgun cartridges, and also loads for a 20ga/12 ga on a regular basis and wants to minimize types of powder on hand.



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I just realized that I forgot to add something about the appearance and demise of 452AA. It appeared on the civilian pistol reloading scene when it was discovered that the US Army Marksmanship Unit was using the powder in their 45 ACP loads and beating the pants off the competition. It pretty much was discontinued after the Army switched from the 45 ACP to the 9x19mm.

The closest powder I found after trying many, many powders was 700x. But, it is still not the same.

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I wonder how close to the same thing the Winchester Super Field (WSF) or the Super Handicap is to the 452AA?

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win states that wst superceded ( or replaced ) the 452 tho many folks at cast boolits state that hodgdon tite group is the same powder

http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=14108&highlight=452aa

http://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=80118&highlight=452aa



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I have been using 700X in Nick's 45 and it shoots quite well.
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At least in my guns, TiteGroup and WST are NOT replacements for 45AA.
When I got below 1 lb of 452AA and figured it was dead, I just cranked out as many .45 200gn L-SWC loads as I could. Wonderful powder for the .45. Nothing, even 231, comes close.



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I've got a note in my 3-ring binder of reloading notes that 4.2 grains of WST with a 200 gr. SWC is about 850 fps ±.  However, on the Hodgdon web page, they say that 4.4 gr of WST gives you 830 fps. 

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