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I'd never used Federal primers before but with the talk of shortages and the rising prices I took advantage of a local store that's a little slow to raise prices and picked up a couple thousand. LR, SR, and SP. I'm using these in my Lee handprimer. Right now I'm reloading some .223 Lake City, Federal, and RORG brass. This is the third time around for this brass. I cut the crimps out last year with a countersink bit in my drill press. I've since primed these twice with Winchester Primers with no problems. The Federal primers seem to hang up in almost every other case. I don't know if it's the serrated looking edge on the cup or what but I had about a dozen where the primer would go in kitty wampus and I'd have to take the shell holder out of the tool and deprime the case with the shellholder stuck on it as the primer was half in half out. Finally I just went back to the drill press and cut them a little deeper. Still had problems with a couple.
Anybody else had problems with these?
I don't think its my priming tool. I loaded 600 rounds with magtech SR primers for a friend with it last week and never had a hitch. RD
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| Posted: Thu Mar 12th, 2009 10:41 AM |
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I actually use a large quantity of Fed 210 primers every year....no problems yet(knocking on wood)!
Is your priming station not lining up correctly?
Are the primer edges flared?
Trying to throw out some ideas.....
Scott (what does Federal say) B
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| Posted: Thu Mar 12th, 2009 12:00 PM |
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I use the hell outta Fed 215 lr magnums, and 210 lr match primers.Probably over the years run through 20 plus thousand of em.RD, I dont think I`ve ever had that problem with even one of em
I detonated Rem primer once when I was priming 32-20 cases with my rock chucker.Scared the livin shit outta me..
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| Posted: Thu Mar 12th, 2009 12:46 PM |
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morning r d >> federal 210 and 215 primers run every single rifle cartridge that i handload for. i've never had a problem seating this product in any of my cases once i've got the push rod of my priming press adjusted properly. from what i've seen with these, i would have to surmise something is wrong with the brass after crimps are removed or something is wrong with the primer seating tool.
however, i've use the 205's you're having issues with to a much lessor extent, only for my .223 . i don't have near as much experience or bench time with them. even so, i've never experienced an seating issue with these but have only used winchester brass. i've never had to cut crimps, so don't know if that process creats a situation making seating difficult for the 205's in particular. this wouldn't seem to make to much sense, when you had no trouble seating other brands of small rifle primer. as was suggested, alignment issues with the tool might be a concern but again, if it seats winchester primers fine, it should do the same with federal.
almost sound like the issues are centering around the primer pocket of the military surplus type brass you're using. i don't know why. would wager a pretty penny though it ya went and bought yourself a small lot of remington or winchester .223 virgins, the 205'd seat just fine.
hope you get the issue squared away, r d . >> klallen
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I load my Federal rifle primers (210M & 215M) into APS strips and prime the brass on an APS bench mount and am not having any problems.
Sounds like one of two things that may be your problem..
1. - the primers are not lined up properly before you insert them.
2. - you chamfered the cases unevenly and thyere are rought edges causing the primer to tip slightly.
and possibly a combination of the two.
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When you say Lee hand primer I will assume you mean the Auto Prim. Lee specifically warns you not to use any Federal primers in this device but that is due to unexpected ignition problems. I have used these primers in mine without any problems though. Try cutting back on the number of primers you load in the feeding tray.
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On the advice of my GS I purchased an L.E. Wilson Trimmer & Mil brass primer pocket reamer it's a very accurate tool that I've used to remove the Military primer crimp on 06 military brass to reload with commercial primers made by Remington,Federal & CCI the only primers that have given me seating problems are CCI LR primers.I convinced a neighbor of mine to get into reloading so he followed my suggestion to purchase an L.E. Wilson Trimmer & primer pocket reamer. Last edited on Thu Mar 12th, 2009 06:56 PM by sako06
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I swage out my primer pockets with the Dillon pocket swager and never seem to have problems with any primers and I do use the Lee hand priming tool.
Jerry
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Thanks for all of the replys. I'll check out the alignment of the priming rod and also the uniformity of my crimp removal. I suppose that if they were the least bit out of true the pimer would tend to tip in the hole and not start squarely. I think these were primed the first two times on my old bair press. The primer cup on that would tend to fit closer to the primer and would be less likely to allow tipping. RD
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Welcome to the world of federal primers. I've got about 500 left from a 1000 I bought about 15 years ago. Have broken 2 lee hand primers trying to seat the things. The RCBS universal primer will spit the case out of the fingers about every 3rd primer with those federals.
I'm thinking they are just enough larger in diameter to be a real pain in the .......
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I have never had a seating problem when using my Dillon 550 presses.
Jerry
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Ranch 13 wrote: Welcome to the world of federal primers. I've got about 500 left from a 1000 I bought about 15 years ago. Have broken 2 lee hand primers trying to seat the things. The RCBS universal primer will spit the case out of the fingers about every 3rd primer with those federals.
wow, r 13 . that is indeed some horrible federal primer experiences.
my rcbs priming press is probably as old as they come. a vintage bench mounted unit that took me years to find for my personal bench. i've never had an issue seating a federal or cci primer with this ancient thing. wonder what's going on.
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Kory those primers are just big enough that they are a reaallly really tight fit even in old worn cases. Using the old style rcbs handprimer is the only way to get along with them , but even then it takes a ton of pressure on the lever to get them to seat. They do shoot ok when you do get them seated but its just to big of a hassle to use them except for just once in awhile when there's nothing better to do.
No issues with winchester or cci primers.
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Ranch, That seemed to be my problem too. As I was loading the cases tonight that I primed last night I could see that some of the primers were really flattened. I mean flat enough that you could see the tool marks from the end of the primer ram on the primer. I hope to hell they go off. At least I'm using them on P dogs instead of for self defense. I had no problem with RP cases but RORG cases wre about impossible as were some mil cases labeled IMG. I think I've bought my last sleeve of Federals too. I've got about 1000 total left in 4 different types. RD
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interesting, indeed.
always strange when i hear of a fello handloader who has had long standing issues with the very same product that's worked flawlessly for me in my press for years. truth be told, i can't tell the difference when i'm seating cci or federals, the way this little press aligns and pressures them in.
makes me wonder why this press works so well with them? i sure as heck don't have the answer. but i'm glad it does. i like those magnum fed's in my big rifle cartridges. 
talk to ya later.
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Rocky best I can tell you is the ones I have always fire after they get seated, but dang sure makes you wonder.. Might be the best thing to use them slow and maybe trade em off to somebody. If I still had the primer feed tubes for my rockchucker press I think they wouldn't even bother, unfortunately those tubes disappearred years and years ago.
Korey yes it is weird to have that happen.
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Korey, I hear what you are saying but I loaded these cases twice with Win Primers with no problems. This isn't my first rodeo by far. I've been loading for twenty years and always used Winchester primers. I can't ever recall using anything else until about two weeks ago when I loaded some mag techs for a friend and now these federals. I've had more problems with three boxes of these than I had total with twenty years of loading. In fact, other than seating one upside down now and then, the only problem I ever had with Winchesters was when I first started trying to load Mil cases and was too ignorant to know what a crimped primer even was. Who knows, maybe I got a bad lot or something. RD
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evening r d . not questioning you or r 13's experiences with federal primers. or your years of experience at the bench. don't manufacture an attack where there isn't one. i have no doubt you guys are indeed seeing what you're reported. i don't understand the why. we're doing something differently. i don't know if it centers around the different seating tools we're using or what. in the long run, i guess it really don't matter. from my standpoint, more then anything, i'm just happy i haven't had similar problems as i've grown very fond of the 215 performance in my large capacity rifle cartridges. g-luck with the primer problem. i'm sure you'll get all squared away just fine.
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Korey, I didn't really take it as an attack. I'm just frustrated by the fact that screwing around with these things eats into my reloading time when the process should be so simple. As I think about it, regardless of others success, Federal and I have never gotten along. When I was a kid we had a Nylon 66 .22 that would digest anything that you fed it except Federals which would have a jamb once or twice every box. That's about the time when I was learning to cuss. I thought Federal was a cuss word cause it was always included with a string of 'em. I reloaded a few federal shotgun hulls for trap but found that Win AA or Rem STS are far easier to work with and last longer. The one good thing they did was to start making 7-30 Waters cases. Saves me all that fireforming.
At any rate it's probably just a combination of the primers, wear on the plastic sleeve of my old Lee hand primer, odd ball military cases, cutting out crimps rather than swaging them out and my brass rat tendencies. If I went out and bought a dillon swager or used all virgin brass and picked up the best primer tool out there rather than the most inexpensive, I think the Federals would load just fine. But I reload to save a few $ and I'm a cheap a$$ SOB anyway and I wouln't get to bitch about anything. Where's the fun in that? RD
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But I reload to save a few $ and I'm a cheap a$$ SOB anyway and I wouln't get to bitch about anything. Where's the fun in that? RD
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