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Stock up on everything, including TP!
I always try to stay 10,000 rounds ahead of my needs. Sounds crazy, I started to do this because I needed long term consistant ammo. Now I have ammo and reloading supplies for at least that many rounds.
I make my own bullet lubes, there is an art to that, I started that well before this insanity. I cast most of my bullets, the rest I buy in bulk. I buy 10 boxes of 100 bullets at a time, or buy the bulk packs. I just made up a gallon of Ed's Red. The only rifle caliber that I am looking for is .270. I am looking for a light weight flat 9mm, still haven't decided on which one.
Currently I have 190 tomato plants growing in the family garden, with 500 various pepper plants. Plus onions, radishes, carrots and celery.
Katie and I can foods, I have been telling her that we need a pressure cooker, when she was canning green beans today it came to her than a pressure cooker would make her life much easier. Plus then we can preserve meats. Plus we have a smoker.
I take deer on my property every year, this year will be the 8 year that I butchered my own deers. I can fill up a freezer or two quick.
I don't like being hungry and will eat a variety of things when I am hungry. Just opened a jar of home made Strawberry Jam to put on home made toast. That tasted really good last night.
Prices for many things are going up, money may become worthless, I am not sure about that whole situation. The one thing that I have seen of recent is the "liberals" are now beating on the people who speak up at these townhall meetings.
When I go to the gunstores, the shelves are thin and the supplies are still uncertain. This could all be behind us in a year or two, or we could have open fighting amoung the people, or we could start to have a lot of little kingdoms forming in the cities.
There are too many "what ifs", and not enough answerrs.
So stock up on everything, the best "non money" money is TP and Marlboros, maybe beer should be included.
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lol the more I stock up the more I seem to load, then shoot. but I always have the stash...
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My son is across the waters for several months but he has the components for a small distillery waiting on his return. He loaded me a Christmas present before leaving. At our gathering in Oct. we will cover lots of subjects that may be valuable if things continue to follow trends. We hope to have 5 or 6 reloaders set up so folks can do some hands on training. We are going to have 5 raised beds going next year and hopefully the small attached green house up and running by Nov. wc
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I am in the middle of building a building for my generator and then start working on building my greenhouse.
The green house I have wanted ti building for a few years now. This is so I can do my own starter plants.
The generator building has become necessary because I can't run it sfaely in the house.
Northern Tools has a lot of interesting thing in their 2009 Master Catalog; notherntool.com or 1-800-556-7885, you can find wind and solar stuff with them, plus they have things like freezers that run on 12 and 24 V DC.
But every one keep loading ammo up.
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I have a real small starter greenhouse. It is about 8' long and 4' wide. Just made of old windows on an aluminum frame. Straight up for about 18" then tapers in for about two more feet. Opps, got way off reloading, sorry, wc
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I've been reloading 50 years now. Have seen shortages on components at least 4 times now. They have lasted 6 months to a year and a half, but prices don't come back down. Jacketed bullet prices haven't gone up in the last year, but my dealers have almost no availability. Between 1 and 3 years ago jacketed bullets and shot went up two or 3 fold. Spot prices for metals has fallen by over 50% since then, shot has fallen some, but bullets have remained high, as they always have in the past.
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I do remember when the dealers were all saying that the price of jacketed bullets and brass were going up because of the increase in metal costs.
I don't buy that much new brass and I still have on hand a large amount of the jacketed bullets I shoot.
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This is different, some one on Gun Broker, has a 1000 Win Large Rifle Primers for a starting bid of $57.00 and a buy now price of $75.00. But is only charging $15 for shipping. I wonder he is going to pickup the hazmat fee.
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Swampshooter, what a wealth of experience you have--my hat is off to you sir. We hope to have about six reloaders set up at the gathering so several can do hands on at the same time. Lots of other stuff planned , it is looking great, wc
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What is everyone paying for a box of shotgun primers in your area? My local Gander has several thousand each of CCI, Win, and Federal, but price is $4.99/100. With a 10% discount, I don't know if I should buy them up at $45/1000. Seems high.
Also, is $14.50/pound of Red Dot a decent price? Several 8 lbs jugs available at same store.
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-6 wrote: Swampshooter, what a wealth of experience you have--my hat is off to you sir. We hope to have about six reloaders set up at the gathering so several can do hands on at the same time. Lots of other stuff planned , it is looking great, wc
Thank you, sir.
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Rockydog wrote: I think the dems goal here is to price us out of our guns rather than flat out take them away. Liability suits on manufacturers, prices for metals, rules against shipping involving huge Hazmat fees, liability suits againat gunsmiths, closing ranges due to "environmental" concerns (forcing us to drive further to shoot on expensive gas.)Overbearing licensing and Inspection on FFL holders. They don't have to worry about the second amendment when you can't afford a gun or components. RD
If you think the Dems are targeting just the gun crowd with this inflationary deal and over-regulation, you're mistaken my friend. They are screwing the pooch on nearly everthing we buy. The enviro-loonies flat do not want anyone driving a car, and liberal government would just as soon we all take the bus or mass transit. Or ride a bike. Their inflationary practices are going to make food just about unobtainable, unless everyone is on some kind of food stamp program. Government controlling the food supply. Crazy, you say?? Government is going to screw this whole economy up, blame Bush or Wall Street, and then ride to the "Rescue". And they are betting we will be so grateful. Yaeh, right.
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Yep, regarding the food supply, we may say, "I'll grow/raise my own!"
BUT..... there are bills afoot that will heavily regulate, register and control all aspects of food production, right down to the small home garden! Wanna raise bunnies, chickens or goats? The PTB will have you controlled, keeping strict records, everything recorded and noted - and big fines, penalties and fees. Some will have us forced to use Goobermint mandated fertilizers, chemicals and who-knows-what kind of GMO crap! "Frankenfood".
They will not stop til they control us from cradle to grave. 
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I really doubt the prices will come down. The manufacturers are producing primers and other components in short supply at or near maximum capacity, which will give them their lowest cost of production. Do you think they might lower there prices given a lower cost of production? Of course not, they will raise prices based upon the simple law of supply and demand. And do you think they might lower prices when demand returns to the pre-"shortage" levels or even lower? I suppose it's possible but I would personally doubt it.
If the shortages and higher prices were the result of a higher rate of consumption, than one might say the higher prices are justified, but consumption has not increased. The increase in demand might be said to be the result of an "artificial" increase in demand brought about by probably less than 5% of the consumers who are "stockpiling" certain components.
The net result of all this is only going to be higher prices for everyone, and a lose in sales for the retailer of not only primers, but for powder and bullets as well as the average shooter/reloader is not able to reload ammunition without primers even though there is no real shortage of bullets and powder, at least in my neck of the woods.
Thank you hoarders for not only bringing higher prices to all shooters, but costing the retailers sales of powder, bullets as well as other products that they do have in stock.
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In my area there is a definite shortage of reloading supplies,across the board with primers in the lowest supply. Also factory ammo in self-defence calibers is in very short supply and even .22 LR are very spotty.
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Charley wrote: When you print money by the basketfull, the money supply goes up, but the supply of commoditys stays the same. More money in circulation, with stagnant commodity levels equals our old friend inflation. Folks, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Jerry, I know you are old enough to remenber the asswipe Carter. Prime rates of 21%, inflation rate of 10-12% per year. It is allready starting to heat up again with this admin.
Four years from now you will consider today's pricing as "the good old days".
Yep, more money chasing after the same quantity of goods and services with any economy that is not growing at a similar rate to the increases in the supply of fiat money will eventually produce higher prices.
We have yet to see that for a couple of reasons. The velocity of money (the number of time it changes hands over a given period of time) has remain very low because the American "spend now pay later" consumer have actually become net savers for the first time in almost 50 years. And, the huge amounts of money that were pumped into failing banks that all of the administrations best economists were certain would be used to loan money and thus stimulate economic activity, was used by those banks to purchase smaller regional and local banks with there much stronger depositor base would be far more profitable than making loans at very low rates of interest to stimulate sales of everything from housing to autos. So much of that money has yet to even make it into the system! But with time, it will.
But the problem you hear not a single word being spoke of,(for very good reason) is the 14+ trillion dollar national debt and what the costs will be just to service such a huge and rapidly growing debt.
You speak of the Carter years. Do the math on what the interest costs would be on 15 trillion dollars should long term rates go to the levels of the late 70s early 80s. Every tax dollar collected from everything from income tax, Social Security payroll taxes, to excise taxes would not be sufficient to only pay the interest on our national debt. Even if rates were to increase to a more 'normal' level that we have seen over the past 4 or 5 decades, interest payments would be our #1 expenditure, more than all other expenditures combined based upon our current levels of taxation. Scary stuff isn't it? But I suspect we'll get though it, albeit with drastic devaluation of the dollar and a corresponding drop in our standard of living. Within 15 years it would not surprise me in the least if China were to become the strongest economic power on the planet.
But, we had our run, our fun, spent money we didn't have, and sooner or later the piper must be paid.
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I'm afraid that that's the plan. Inflate us out of debt. Wow, this is a nightmare.
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Rockydog wrote: I think the dems goal here is to price us out of our guns rather than flat out take them away. Liability suits on manufacturers, prices for metals, rules against shipping involving huge Hazmat fees, liability suits againat gunsmiths, closing ranges due to "environmental" concerns (forcing us to drive further to shoot on expensive gas.)Overbearing licensing and Inspection on FFL holders. They don't have to worry about the second amendment when you can't afford a gun or components. RD
It's not about the dems or the pubs, neither of them could hit the ground with a handful of popcorn if the lives depended on it.
It's truly about a 15 trillion dollar and rapidly growing national dept, that if interest rates were only to reach an average level seen over the past 50 years, servicing such a debt would take a bigger chunk out of every annual budget than all other expenditures combined. And should interest rates even briefly hit levels of the late 70s early 80s? Do the math, it ain't pretty.
We have spend and borrowed ourselves into a very nasty position and about the only way out is through the devaluation of the dollar and a dramatic drop in out standard of living that will come with it. We had our fun, now the time has come to pay for it.
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fprefect, I believe you are correct on all counts. It's not just about the Dems or Pubs, it's about the citizens of this country. We've let Congress, both parties, have free reign for too long. They've gotten too many citizens on the gravy train, we're way too accustomed to living the high life on easy (and easily abused) credit. But then, we're just as guilty as Congress, spending money like drunken sailors. That chicken is indeed coming home to roost. The US Dollar is already at 63 cents, and that was a couple of weeks ago. I haven't looked to see what it is at today.
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BPCR Bill wrote: fprefect, I believe you are correct on all counts. It's not just about the Dems or Pubs, it's about the citizens of this country. We've let Congress, both parties, have free reign for too long. They've gotten too many citizens on the gravy train, we're way too accustomed to living the high life on easy (and easily abused) credit. But then, we're just as guilty as Congress, spending money like drunken sailors. That chicken is indeed coming home to roost. The US Dollar is already at 63 cents, and that was a couple of weeks ago. I haven't looked to see what it is at today.
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Bill
If there is one individual "incident" that could serve as the poster child for what has been happening in this country in just the past several years it would Alan Greenspan's testimony before Congress several years ago that he believed commercial banks would be "self regulating" if they were allowed to enter into the home loan mortgage business, and Wachovia (no longer with us) bank's "Pick-a-pay" plan, with one plan giving borrowers a chance to move into a half million dollar house and for the first 5 years would only be required to pay only a portion of the interest due each month, with the unpaid interest simply being added to the principal of the loan!
In a way I can't bring myself to blame a young couple just out of college and entering the work force, discovering they could "afford" a home with a price tag of 2 or 3 times what they believed they could ever hope to acquire. Pick a Pay. Yeah Right.
But at least Mr. Greenspan in a Second appearance before Congress admitted it was the biggest mistake he had made in his 40 year career as an economist. Thank you Mr. Greenspan, maybe you could help pick up the tab.
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