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sdb777
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Posted: 27 May 2008 02:54 AM |
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http://wcbstv.com/local/police.handgun.cameras.2.722036.html
Can you believe this stuff? Would it make the law enforcement guys worry about using their weapons? Would they start shooting any better(speaking about the few officers I've shot with at the range or in competition).
Scott (hope this isn't car battery powered) B
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Charley
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Posted: 27 May 2008 12:45 PM |
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| Never been an LEO, but this seems like a bad idea to me. I wonder just what capacity this LEO turned politician served in.
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steel13
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| Joined: | 21 December 2007 |
| Location: | I Live In The Rain, Washington USA |
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Posted: 28 May 2008 08:50 PM |
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There are a lot of ramifications on both sides of this issue, good and bad. Video is still subject to conjecture, and does not take into account what perception the LEO has at the time of drawing his weapon. I believe that they probably wont use these minicams. I think that they'll find, no matter how the shooting scenario unfolds, they find something on the tape to make the Dept liable.
Now onto what I do think will happen, I believe in the future, you will be required to have some similar device attached to your hunting rifle.
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SCSlim
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Posted: 1 June 2008 09:13 PM |
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It's another instance of someone pushing the latest version of the "Trial Lawyers Full Employment Act of ________ ____, ________ (fill in the month, day and year)".
This is what happens whenever/wherever you have a legislature that's made up mostly of attorneys or those that are bought and paid for by attorneys. It's why I won't vote for an attorney for any elected office except Attorney General and Disrict Judge/Supreme Court Justice (you have to be a lawyer to hold either of the latter two offices in my state).
LE used to be my field - 22 years, as a matter of fact. I only took up my current profession after leaving the LE/CJ field in 2000, and then going to the state university for 4.5 years to get my sheepskin and license so I could practice.
LEOs have to make split-second life-or-death decisions at times. Afterward, lawyers on both sides have all the time they need to play Monday-morning quarterback. Do LEOs make the best possible choice every time they shoot? No. But they make the best one they can based upon what they're faced with and how they're trained. In a pinch, when the lead is flying, one goes on auto pilot and pretty much reverts to training.
We've had a number of police shootings in our area in recent years, almost 100% fatal. Out of all of them, there have been 3 that I was uneasy about, having read the accounts. The Police Ombudsman's report (and the coroner's inquests) cleared the cops in all cases, but I just wonder about whether going to guns was their only option. The P.O.S.T. academy used to teach us to create distance while talking to the bad guy, get backup, use cover/concealment, use less-than-lethal weapons first, if possible. Guns were always the last resort (although it was acknowledged that sometimes you might have to use the last resort first). In the three cases I'm thinking of, any of those stragtegies might have worked. In one instance, simply letting go of the stearing wheel when the perp started to drive away would probably have ended up better than did hanging on (half in and half out of the car window frame), letting him accelerate to over 50mph, then blowing his brains out with a .45ACP, thus turning the car into an unguided missle.
I got shot at a couple times during my star packing days and didn't return fire because it wasn't safe - the bullets very well could have hit innocent bystanders or gone into houses beyond the target. We ended up catching the shooter without shooting him and without any of us getting shot. There were times when I would have been justified in firing but chose another alternative that ended well for the bad guy (he didn't get shot) and me (I didn't have to go through all the departmental crap plus the psychological ramifications of having taken a life, even if justified).
But again, it's too easy to look at a shooting and find things that could have been done differently when you have all the time in the world to assess options and nobody's trying to kill you while you think about them. Most courts focus on what the LEOs information was at the time, and whether he/she was in imminent fear for his/her life or of great bodily injury at the time, if he/she didn't shoot.
The cameras won't do officers any good, IMHO, unless the sole use of any video they collect is for training purposes and not courtroom use. Otherwise, they'll only serve to fatten the wallets of attorneys and discredit honorable men and women who put their lives on the line on a daily basis.
One more thing ... if legislators are successful in putting cameras on cop guns, how long do you think it will be before all guns have to have them? I'll bet Chuck Schumer is already working on that one.
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