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DKA wrote: This is a problem until now, only buy Federal.
DKA - please refer to my posting of 8 January of this year on this string..
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I agree remington thunder duds are really bad just like a brick of pmc I bought years ago every other one is a jam creating dud so I filled my mag for my colt 22 conversion no better or with my single six.Years ago I tried some aguila and had stoppages galore.My favorite is cci minimags
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sako06 wrote: I agree remington thunder duds are really bad just like a brick of pmc I bought years ago every other one is a jam creating dud so I filled my mag for my colt 22 conversion no better or with my single six.Years ago I tried some aguila and had stoppages galore.My favorite is cci minimags
Mine too... I've never had a dud in all the years of shooting minimags in many different .22 shooters, both rifle and handgun!!!! I still shoot some I bought in 1986 when a case of 5K was just under a hundred bucks.. Win SuperX has been perfect for me, as well..
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No minimags available anywhere now.I have a couple of federal bricks.A neighbor I've been helping with info on garands & load data from the 3/86 American Rifleman article Reloading For The M1 Rifle (I showed him the article in the magazine that I kept) went on guntrader and bought a couple of thousand rounds of mixed 22lr ammo he's waiting to see what he bought .
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First issue - Wally World, I have been told that if a vendor ships to Wally World, Wally World may say they only got 70% of the shipment and will pay accordingly. So you may have to put up with that because they are a major buyer. So companies ship their marginal products or seconds.
Second issue- 22LR ammo, I have some I bought 20 years ago, that was $6.95 a brick and it is still shooting well. I buy what ever else from a local gunstore that the owners are shooters, so they tell me if I have a problem bring the stuff back and they will give me something else.
I find that some of my 22 LR rifles don't always strike with enough force to set off the primer compound, but a little work and that problem goes away. My newer 22 rifles shoot very well, but so do my older ones. I am having a blast using my Mossberg M 46 as a G'Hog sniper rifle, it needed some work and now it shoots straight and true, everytime.
Do people know that Wally World does not have an interstore transfer system?
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With a lawyer on every street corner these days, you don't really think ANY ammo manufacturer in this country is going to ship a "second" of any sort in loaded ammo do you?
Wally sells chep because they buy in bulk, contracted ahead and x amount per round.
30 some odd years ago when I owned a storefront gunshop KMart (Walmart wasn't here yet) routinely sold all the name brand 22 ammo for about the same or less than I could purchase it from the best of my suppliers. Its all about volume discounts.
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I have purchased blemished seconds on bullets, what Wally World does to their supplier is known among their suppliers.
Much of their stuff is cheap because of volume buying and buying overseas. We as American consumer have come to expect low prices with much of the product to be disposable with a short to medium service life.
I would like to see lawyers take on Wally World, it would interesting. Plus there are seconds and then there are bad seconds.
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I just find it laughable that folks would actually think the ammo manufacturers would intentially sell "seconds" in loaded ammunition to anybody, including WalMart.
"Seconds" or production runs of ammo that aren't up to standards are what generates recalls.
Yes all the bullet manufacturers have seconds that you can purchase at the factory, but there's one hell of a bunch of difference between a blemished bullet and a blemished loaded round.
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Manufacture sell near expatiation dated products to the dollar stores. Blemished products have their out lets stores and marginal product does get sold to the public, it may not be bad, just only marginal.
Many people complain about some ammo not firing or not properly firing in their weapons, I have yet to see lawyer on TV that specialized in product liability showing ads for less than perfect ammo.
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Oh, I forgot to mention that the Gov used to sell condemned lots of military ammo to the public.
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Hell of a lot of difference between stale cookies, and bad ammo.
Yup the government used to sell (and still do thru the cmp) surplus ammo , but they labeled it accordingly, and sold it with that stipulation.
Not even close to the internet legend about how some way or another the Remington "greenbox" stuff at Walmart would be somehow of lesser quality than the Remington "greenbox" stuff bought at some gunshop. 
Neither Remington nor any other ammo manufacturer is going to intentionally sell ammo that doesn't hold within SAAMI specs.
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Ranch 13 wrote:
Remington nor nobody else is going to supply Walmart, nor any other retailer faulty ammo. They're not going to stand the liability if the ammo goes really bad , and they're not going to willingly/knowingly get the bad press.
You are right on this one. You have a problem with you firing pin or spring. May just be clog up with powder residue or oil and dirt. Sometime these problems are caused by head-space problems due to rim thickness of lot numbers of brass these rounds are loaded in. I seriously doubt Walmart gets Remington throw aways, not in this world of Law Suits and Litigation's. One more thing this box of ammo could have set in high heat somewhere before you purchased and the wax on the bullet seeped into the case and killed the primer .
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The problem in this case was with the ammo, not the firearm. I mentioned it several posts back, but after inspection of several misfired rounds, every one had gaps in the primer compound. It was not spun entirely around the inside of the rim. The gaps were anywhere from a quarter to three-quarters of the circumference in the worst one. Each misfire had the firing pin strike in a gap.
I don't know about the Wal-Mart getting seconds issue. Most ammunition I get at Wal-Mart is 100%. But in this particular lot of Remington 22lr, it would seem productions methods and QC were less than stellar. It would also make sense to me that runs of 22 ammo which don't pass QC 100%, but are still safe and mostly functional, could be sold as such at a large discount. After some research on the net, I found that others have had similar problems with this ammo. Whatever the cause, I don't buy the Remington bulk packs anymore.
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I never said that the government sold surplus ammo, which I know they do via CMP, they used to sell stuff that was condemned. There is a big difference between the two.
Most of the ammo I have bought at Wally World worked as is should have, but I consider what they sell as bargain brand ammo.
Is the Saami standard so that the ammo shoots and works to a certain level? Or is that the ammo will hit the bullseye every time with every rifle or pistol ever made in that caliber?
I have been told that the standard was to keep unsafe ammo out of the hands of the public so the manufactures hold to the level that keeps the ammo safe, if the ammo does not go off is it unsafe?
There have been stores over the years who bought up old ammo inventories and turned around to sell the stuff. Sometimes the ammo worked and some times it didn't. Plus the stores, some times sold this stuff for components, nothing more. But is was a cheap source for ammo. This still goes on via the gun shows.
I used to buy surplus ammo that at best was "ratty" looking at stores like Sears. The stuff was in plain cardboard boxes with little, if any labeling on it. Was the stuff safe to shoot, most of the time it was. This was back before all of this gun control stuff came about.
If the lawyer waiting on the street corner to file suit against the ammo makers was a real incentive for ammo manufactures, then the Chinese and the Russians would have never sold their junk ammo in the states.
So buy a million rounds of ammo and do a G.I. type of test to see if the stuff is good or not. You may be surprised.
If the primer doesn't work on a 22 LR, is the ammo unsafe? If the 22 LR ammo only works in Remington Rifles, is it unsafe? It is legal to sell the stuff.
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As I said before the only time I get a misfire with the Remington bulk is when the 10-22 gets dirty. As to the accuracy part I'll let the picture speak.
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I have that problem with my 10/22 also. So I have to keep it clean. My Mossberg M46 will shoot any brand thru it with no problems.
For my other 22LRs they shoot well with about anything except the Rem Crap I got at Wally World. Some Thunderbolts I bought back in 1988 in Western Michigan at some little general store, have been shooting in all my 22s with no problems. Is that an indicator of quality or just luck?
Ranch that is some nice shooting.
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I'm wondering, if the Walmart Remington 550 value packs are seconds, or imperfects, or whatever kind of crap, for all the various reasons posted in this thread, wouldn't that also apply to the Federal 550 value packs as well? They both cost the same at my local Walmarts. Walmart wants best price from both Rem and Fed. Both Rem and Federal need/want to make a profit, so they pawn off their rejects to Walmart.
I personally don't think this happens. But if it happens with Remington, the same should hold true for Federal. NOW, EITHER/ANY company can let a bad batch slip through before getting caught by QC, but I don't think any company is going to say, "let's sell our rejects to Walmart, they'll buy anything if the price is good enough."
I recently saw a thread on another BB showing Federal shot shells that the user cut open to reveal multiple size shot pellets rather than just the one size posted on the box.
My neighbor claims to have more trouble firing his Walmart Federals than his Walmart Remingtons. So maybe is largely a matter of perspective, what your gun happens to like, and the luck of the draw that any company can mass produce a bad batch.
Regarding gaps in the primer in the rim, many years ago I read an article in one of the major outdoor magazines saying that one should never leave .22s in a car for extended periods. The author (one of the gun gurus at the time) said that the constant bouncing, jiggling and vibration of riding in a vehicle caused a redistribution of the primer compound which of course leads to ignition problems.
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I really don't know what Wally World gets, maybe old inventory or not stored properly inventory. I know a lot people line up for ammo sales at the World.
When I store 22 ammo, it is butt of the box down and in a vacuum sealed bag, but half up the ammo is bullet up and half is bullet down. I have been shooting 22 ammo for all these years that I bought in western Michigan with no problems. I have many other boxes and bricks of 22 ammo that I keep around, properly stored and sealed.
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miestro_jerry wrote: I really don't know what Wally World gets, maybe old inventory or not stored properly inventory. I know a lot people line up for ammo sales at the World.
When I store 22 ammo, it is butt of the box down and in a vacuum sealed bag, but half up the ammo is bullet up and half is bullet down. I have been shooting 22 ammo for all these years that I bought in western Michigan with no problems. I have many other boxes and bricks of 22 ammo that I keep around, properly stored and sealed.
Jerry Jerry, I'm still shooting some CCI mini mag .22LR out of the case I bought in 1986... Works fine, lasts a long time - stored in ammo cans, cool and dry.. 
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3006,
I was shooting up some U.S. Military 30-06 from 1949 up until recently, then I shoot it all up. It was stored in the arsenal packed ammo can that it came in. Never had a bad shot.
The G.I. ammo can is one of the best things the military ever came up with, beats any commerical boxes out there.
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